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The discussion on Salic Law, I suggest, should go. Moreover, they later had Joan renounce, they certainly did not consider Salic law as important as her batardise Snapdragonfly 01:40, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
By way of reply on the loi salique and whether it prevented a regnant queen of France, this is a footnote:
Castelot, André. Henri IV. Paris: Librairie Académique Perrin, 1986. [Castelot 140 n1]
footnote text:
En fait l'ancienne loi des Saliens ne concernait que le droit privé, excluant les femmes de la succession aux biens fonciers, et non de la succession au trône. Cette dernière n'a pas posé de problème en France jusqu'au début du XIVe s., tant que les fils purent l'assurer dans l'ordre de primogéniture. Tout change à la mort de Jean Ier le Posthume (1316) : en l'absence de successeur mâle, les femmes sont écartées du trône au profit de Philippe V puis de Charles IV, frères de Louis X, et enfin de Philippe VI de Valois, leur cousin : le principe de la masculinité est établi. La guerre de Cent Ans et les prétensions anglaises sur le trône de France ne pouvaient que renforcer ce principe qui permettait d'écarter les étrangers de la succession, et qui fut peu a peu considéré comme l'une des règles fondamentales de la monarchie : ainsi, au fil des anées, l'habileté des légistes à interpréter la loi salique a permis de donner une assise juridique à l'exclusion des femmes.
This basically says that an old Salic Frank law on the privileged descent of property was yanked into use when Jean I died and suddenly Philippe had a shot at directly taking the throne, if Jean's older sister could be gotten out of the way, legally of course...and eventually this sort of thing leads to the Valois, and then inexorably to Henri IV, a ninth cousin of the Valois. Because of a "make it legal" reinterpretation of an old inheritance law. —Preceding unsigned comment added by U Aiguier (talk • contribs) 19:22, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Image
The image ought to be removed. It is an image of an adult created centuries after the death of this infant king. It has no realism and its similarity to other portraits in the same series gives lie to its lack of any unique value in terms of information about John I or people's perceptions of him. Srnec 04:01, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Discussion of Succession
Shouldn't the discussion of the succession to John I logically be moved to the article on his successor, Philip V? The issue had no impact on John since he was dead.Aldrichio 20:13, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
- Short answer: padding. Longer answer - it is worth summarising what happened in this article, since it was his death that threw the succession into doubt. Michael Sanders 21:43, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
