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[edit] Harrington vs. Harington

Like Sleepyasthesouth I believe that the correct spelling of Harrington is with two r's not one. If you Google the key words John, Harrington, and toilet you get 146,000 hits. If you Google the key words John, Harington, and toilet you only get 706 hits. The History Channel also recognizes the inventor of the flush toilet and godson to Queen Elizabeth I as John Harrington, with 2 r's. Dancindoug 17:03, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

An overwhelming preponderance of easily accessible scholarly and historical evidence is against making the change that Dancindoug recommends. John Harington of Kelston consistently spelled his surname with one "r" in manuscripts written throughout the course of his lifetime. His burial monument in Bath Cathedral does so as well. Harington's bibliographic entries in the British Library and his biographical entry in the Dictionary of National Biography appropriately refer to him as "Sir John Harington of Kelston." Readers only distantly acquainted with Harington's often difficult to find works have often refered to him, as some of his contemporaries did for the same reason, with two "r"s. There has been a great deal of confusion about Harington over the centuries since his death. The History Channel got a lot of things wrong in their account of Harington and the origins of the flush toilet. No comment on Google results.--Tomascicero 03:03, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Name Spelling

Sir John Harrington is my great great great great great great great great great great grandfather (That's TEN greats!) and I am positive that his name is spelled with two Rs - just like my name & just like my whole family tree!! Could somebody fix it so that the RR spelling is the defualt?--Sleepyasthesouth

Read this: "RE:Harrington vs. Harington" .....it's under THIS conversation.It's the second conversation counting from the bottom. I replied to "Harrington vs. Harington" by Dancindoug making a new conversation. Reseacher1996


Actually, I don't know how to change the page's name. I know how to edit it IN the page, but how do you edit its name???

If you find out how, let me know.

Reseacher1996

[edit] Ireland

I think there's a lot more to be said about his Irish involvement. I would need to find out more, but let somebody contribute in the meantime.--shtove 01:18, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

  • There are about 3 pages in Ian Grimble's book (see refs), with quotes from John's letters & verses while in Ireland. Then there are a few pages which show how he placated his godmother, Queen Elizabeth, after he got back to England. I will try and write a sentence or two. However, interesting as it is, I doubt it merits more in this article. Also, I dont see there is much to be added to the article Tudor re-conquest of Ireland. I could write a few sentences summarising Grimble's account of Essex's venture against Tyrone, but it seems to me there is already a better summary in the Essex article. -- Op. Deo 08:00, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] project

Some sources I found said it was spelled with one R ans some said it was spelled with two R's. I don't know. I'm doing a report about toilets, and John Harrington was the first inventor of the flush toilet. I can't find any pictures of his toilet. Can anyone recommend some sites?

Reseacher1996


[edit] RE: project

From Dancindoug: Because of copyright infringement laws I can't show you a picture of his flush toilet. However if you go to http://www.sewerhistory.org/articles/privbath/toilets.htm and look on that page for Jon C. Schladweiler, "1300’s – Late 1500’s: Sir John Harrington’s New Ajax (The True Roots of the Modern Day Flush Toilet) with Impetus Provided to John Harington by Queen Elizabeth, 'The Schoole of Salerne,' and 'The Englishmans Doctor'," 2004 you will find a downloadabe PDF file called school_of_salernum.pdf. That PDF file contains a 1595 drawing of John Harrington/Harington's flush toilet.

Good Luck to you with your research. Dancindoug 04:45, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Um, I'll look at it.

Reseacher1996

Insert non-formatted text here== RE: Harrington vs. Harington ==

Harrington, I think is correct, but there are alot of sites that say its spelled Harington. Actually, when I do a search on Google for John Harington, usually it will say: Did you mean John Harrington?

Actually, when I do John Harington, there are no results at all! So obviously Google knows how it's spelled.

I'm sure Yahoo! and MSN have the same results.

Reseacher1996

[edit] I'm sorry

I'm sorry. I need to ask. I don't know how to reply to a conversation without starting a new one. Can someone please tell me how? To reply, do you just click edit on that section/ Or is there something special to do? Thanks.


Reseacher1996


[edit] RE: I'm sorry

I'm new to this too. This is the first time I have posted at Wikipedia so, like you, I'm just getting my learner's permit. I did what you did. I just edited the page. Dancindoug 05:00, 13 December 2006 (UTC)


OK. So im not the only one. Thanks for telling me what you do.

Reseacher1996

[edit] Hmmmmmmm...

Dancindoug, Im doing OK on the project. the link you gave me was one i alredy had looked at, but thanks anyway. Its due very soon. I need to know how it works. Can you suggest anything for this? I really need to know.

Reseacher1996

[edit] Project due

Its due very very soon. I need to know how it works. Can anybody help me? It's very important.

Thanks alot.

Reseacher1996 This is copied from my talk

I finished it!!!!!!!! But my teacher wasn't there and winter breack started yesterday. Today's Saturday. So now I don't have to PRESENT it until January. So I'm OK. But I FINISHED IT!!!!!!!! I'm so HAPPY! NOW I DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT GETTING IN MY WAY!!!!

Reseacher1996


[edit] Oh no!

Uh!!!:( He said that we had to give it AGAIN to give it to him for him to correct it AGAIN and now I have to make all these corrections and changes and edits.

Also,Sleepyasthesouth, when I was reading the Who? part to revise it, I realised that I had written Harrington with only one r so I changed it.

Reseacher1996

[edit] The Hittites' toilet

Even before John Harrington there were the Hittites. And they used toilets, too. Does anyone know about their toilet and/or how it worked? What it looked like, etc. It's not a nessesary part of my project, but I have already put it in my report. My teacher wanted more details about their toilet, as my only sentence about it was "The first toilet was made by the Hittites." I feel that if I cut it out now, he will know that I do not have enough info about it, and it could possibly lower my grade, since I already talked about it. Any suggestions? Also, notice my earlier question wanting to know more.

Thanks sooooooooooo much,

Reseacher1996

[edit] Harrington

Harrington is the correct spelling. I am also a desendant like Reseacher1996 and my grandmothers maidon name was still Harrington which had been passed down right back from Sir John Harrington.

Harrington was made Queen Elizabeths godson but he got sent away to Ireland. My grandmother whos maidon name was Harrington, came from ireland because Harrington stayed there and married an irish woman. jenzy

Harington with a single "r" is in fact widely used by many present day descendants. Ian Grimble's authoriative book on the family uses one "r". Spelling was rather variable in the past so it is probably impossible actually to decide a RIGHT one. Op. Deo 22:18, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Harrington's Children

The paragraph about Harrington's children looks bogus, particularly its last part (added separately and marked in the history as 'looks like vandalism'). I believe it is worthy of more than the {{fact}} tag, but should be deleted. If not for arguably being completely imaginary, then for substandard writing. Danga 14:52, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree it looks false. It unlikely to be consistent with Ian Grimble's book which says on page 136 that according to a letter he wrote in in 1603 he had "nine children, seven of whom had survived." Six more children after 20 years of marriage to Mary Rogers seems rather unlikely. This whole article seems to often attract a lot of spurious additions, and it needs quite a bit of work on it. Op. Deo 11:21, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
The introductory section is very poorly constructed and does not follow style guidelines. I think a good way to proceed is to introduce additional sections then transfer material to these, and finally to edit the individual sections to improve their quality. I will suggest some section headings, but please edit them if you can see how to better organise the material.Op. Deo 11:56, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
I have made a start. Much more work needed on most sections. I have added a ref to ODNB article which contains useful info. I will do more later, but in the meantime others please have a go. -- Op. Deo 13:03, 1 August 2007 (UTC)