Talk:John DeLorean
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[edit] Notes About Cleanup
- I'm not sure what the person who originally left the cleanup note was focusing on, but it seems like the remaining cleanup has to do with the inconsistent spelling of his name throughout the article (we should try to come to a consensus before making any executive decisions regarding that) and basic structural flow. Davemcarlson 11:03, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
- I also noticed that there are no ISBNs provided for the books listed in the "sources" section. Davemcarlson 05:34, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] DeLorean's name
Several of us did research on the topic and found that the bicapitalised form DeLorean is incorrect; the man (nor the vehicles) never used it. The discussion is mostly at Talk:De Lorean but may have been moved, since that article has been split. His birth name appears to have been Delorean; at some point during the 1970s he seems to have taken to using the more European styling of De Lorean (with the space). The car company De Lorean used the space, as has been confirmed with company documents. When typeset, the space was normally represented by a half-space, which encourages some to leave the space out altogether, but it was always there.
If anyone wants to make this change again, please do some research and show this to be wrong, rather than going with the gut instinct that it shouldn't have a space. —Morven 03:03, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)
I note that almost every top hit for 'John De Lorean' on Google is Wikipedia or a clone, and that name version only gets 533 hits. Searching for 'John DeLorean' gets us 8,440. I suspect we have his name wrong and that there is not supposed to be a space. Anyone agree/disagree? —Morven 07:56, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- Since nobody said anything, I moved both man and company to the without-space version. —Morven 17:58, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- looking at delorean.com, it's clearly without a space. i guess it could be that his name and the company name differ, but i doubt it
- After posting the above, I researched further and found that the facts are more complex. The situation laid out in De Lorean, I now believe, is correct; the man and the car company used the space in official documents, although when typeset this was often laid out as a half-space. Originally John De Lorean was but John Delorean, but he decided the alternate capitalisation and spacing was more to his taste, I guess. —Morven 22:11, Aug 26, 2004 (UTC)
- It is generally accepted that John DeLorean's name is spelled without a space. I cite this from the fact that DeLorean Motor Company literature has no space anywhere. All historical documents from the original company spell DeLorean without a space. I'm a bit surprised that how to spell his name has been such a topic of discussion when there are so many other facts to list about John DeLorean's history.
- looking at delorean.com, it's clearly without a space. i guess it could be that his name and the company name differ, but i doubt it
I went through and corrected the spelling to be consistent. Brian083071 06:43, 18 March 2007 (UTC)Brian083071
Why does the article use different spellings of his last name throughout the entire article?! That makes no sense. Whomever is in charge of this article should make a decision on which way is correct then use it that way everywhere (other than, of course, the section about the spelling controversy itself).
[edit] Delorean Time Topic
His website, www.deloreantime.com is listed as "under construction" and has not been updated in any recent time.
- I'm unsure when this comment was posted. Perhaps we should just leave a note about how he was working on the company at the time of his death in the "notes" section of the main article, and then delete this section of the talk page. Davemcarlson 11:06, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
- I added the note. I think it's fine to delete this section of the discussion page now.
[edit] Discussion on DeLorean's Background
I changed the father's place of birth to Romania based on the 1930 census, his WWI draft card, and his 1914 Ellis Island manifest. The mother was from Hungary and spoke Magyar per 1920 census and her manifest. I did not change other family stories in the article, however the records note some subtle differences. The father's immigration papers say he was 5-4. This contradicts his WWI draft card which said he was "tall" and of medium build. On the 1930 census he said he could speak English and read and write. He is listed as a foreman at an auto factory and they owned their $3,5000 home. Per the 1930 census, the mother had no occupation. Questors 04:59, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Just wondering and other Corrections Open for Discussion
I am wondering how accurate the information about Mr. De Lorean’s education is. My Father grew up with the De Loreans and remembers working with his bother (George) in the family’s garage when Mr. De Lorean got the job at Packard and came home to announce it. He boasted about how he actually landed the job, which was not offered to him but he bugged them for it and the joke was between all of them was Mr. De Lorean did not have the engineering degree at the time. Now this may be earlier than what has been published, I think it was before 1950 but I have no way to confirm it.
In the 60’s, my father told me the story which I thought it could be true with the stuff that went on in the 1940's and 1950’s. When I met Mr. De Lorean in the early 70’s, I was interested in his work at Packard (I just bought my first Packard) and I asked him to confirm the story I heard years prior. I found it funny that he said the story was true but we never, to the best of my memory discussed the date he was hired and I never looked for his name in the employee records from Packard that I had. He did tell me many stories about what he actually did to climb the ladder at Packard and how he got noticed at GM, which is not in any book and I won't share. I did have several conversations with him through his years about his history and auto history in general at Packard and GM.
I also have to dispute the comment about Packard Motor Car Company;” While brands like Ford, General Motors and American Motors had begun producing affordable mainstream products, brands like Packard, Ewing, and Marquette clung to their pre-WWII era notions of high end, precisely engineered luxury cars.”
The money problems that they experienced during the early to mid 1950’s were due to a number of factors, one being competing with Cadillac and Lincoln on the high end and competing with Buick, Oldsmobile, Chrysler and Mercury (to name a few) on the lower end, all of which had more manufacturing capacity and could flood the market in each of their price categories. Their reach into the lower price market was very limited and their leadership under Huge Ferry, Packard did not really have a plan to enter into lower markets which by the way sucessfully entered the low price market in 1935 with the 120. They did not stick with the luxury car market exclusively which was almost gone in the very early 1940’s with their shift to more mass produced vehicles and the slow elimination of the Packard twelve and larger custom chassis cars. Packard suffered from several issues, one being not being able to bring to market in time a new body style in 1949 as everyone else did and not exploiting the market when the 1948 body style sales increased but rather extended the 1948 body syle though 1950 and then changed over in 1951 with the introduction of a new body style. Packard post war car groups were 1946-1947, 1948-1950, 1951-1954, 1955-1956.
The two brands mentioned, both did not appear on the post war market and one, Marquette was a GM product. If there is a true comparison to Packard, it would have to be Piece Arrow and Marmon for prewar and but really did not have a comparative company post war. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Greg334 (talk • contribs) .
- Unsigned user, feel free to edit to correct info to the best of your ability. I originally wrote this article (well, 95% of it anyway) based on info obtained from 4 biographies that I happened to dig out of my garage (next to my DMC-12), along with some personal knowledge of my own. I admit to having little direct contact with DeLoean himself, so if you are secure with your sources, please be our guest.Detriment 00:22, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] DeLorean vs De Lorean
All the references I have seen spell his actual name without the space. Evidently DeLorean Motor Company business was the only time he used a half space between them. Anynobody 01:42, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
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BetacommandBot (talk) 06:02, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Deleted irrelevant and POV information
There was far too much irrelevant information in this article. The address of the house John DeLorean lived in as a child is immaterial, as are the technical and mechanical minutiae of all the cars that DeLorean was involved in during his career. Also I tried to standardize the spelling of the last name (except in the "how the last name is commonly misspelled" section). BustaCapTx 17:05, 3 June 2008
- Good call. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 22:59, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
