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John Dayal is allegedly a Hate-monger. Promoting rights for a certain group does not mean preaching hate for others. The article does not address the issue, rather putting all the blame on the Hindus for hating his "good actions" (sic). Cygnus_hansa 13:41, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Entomologist's Memo to self - Three! Aha! So they have at last begun to creep out of the woodpile. The bugs, that is. I was wondering when they would. One thing is certain: There may be a delay, but the bugs will eventually attack. Heard of "Chinese Whispers"? First one comes and attacks one or two words, diluting them. "Neo-Nazis" is replaced by the far less offensive "far right". Of course, "far right" in the West are compulsorily "Neo-Nazi", but perish the thought that the same can be true in India, even though these "Constitutionally Non-Hitlerites, Non-Nazis" idolize Hitler and declare that they wish to emulate him. And so now the Neo-Non-Nazis have certified that this article's "Neutrality" is "disputed". Yeah! Way to go! How dare they imply that Hitler was a monster? How POV!!! My Wikidness 03:34, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
I agree with MAgicalsaumy. My Wikidness, I couldn't catch what you were saying lol. Be more blunt. I removed the uncited nonsesne of far-right hindu orgsBakaman Bakatalk 05:19, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Linking to christianaggression.com

If we are going to link to extremist websites, the users must be warned that these websites do not meet the standards set by WP. This is not 'poisoning the well', as IndiaRissing claims it is; unless he/she chooses to modify the language, I will be forced to revert. I look forward to discussing this further. Hornplease 23:43, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Can you prove the claims you wrote about CA.org? Does any reliable source say that they are an extremist group? Absense of evidence is evidence of absence on wikipedia. India Rising 23:46, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
I don't need to prove it, again: you have to demonstrate that ca.org meets WP:RS.
Also, a list of criticisms of the man must be either (a) from reliable sources or (b) indicating the provenance of the sources.

Hornplease 00:05, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

I would say that Gautier satisfies that criterion.CA.org is reliable enough to express their views. One can reword it accordingly. They are, of course, partisan. India Rising 00:09, 7 February 2007 (UTC)


I do not think Gautier is suffuciently prominent. Dayal is a prominent figure, the RSS' official critique of him would be more relevant. In addition, please note that your paraphrasing of the criticism should be neutral in tone and stay as close to the original accusation as possible. Hornplease 00:11, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
I'm a bit puzzled by your edits, as well as your claim of Gautier, who is a prominent columnist and has written a lot about India from his point of view. I think CA.org is not reliable if an article is authored by one of them. The cited article is a copy of Banjamin's letter, and we can be reasonably sure that CA.org would not fabricate a letter like that as then they risk court action from Benjamin for libel, which they would not want as they would be discredited as liars which they haven't. Of course, CA.org is very partisan, but partisan does not mean unreliable. I have tried very hard to be neutral and not propogate hate against Dayal in this article, as that would severely violate WP:LIVING which would be very bad. To achieve that objective I have put Benjamin's remarks in quotes so that it is established as his comments and not ours. That way, wikipedia is safe from legal action by Dayal. India Rising 00:19, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Fair enough; I personally think partisan reprints of other material should not be viewed as suspect. Gautier is hardly an authority of encyclopaedic stature, surely? I think that criticism of Dayal from his real opponents in the mainstream or in the RSS is better suited for the article. Hornplease 04:43, 9 February 2007 (UTC)


[edit] WP:BLP

WP:BLP is policy. Please note that linking to partisan websites is a strict no-no. Unless this article is rewritten keeping that in mind, I will stub it.Hornplease 07:39, 6 April 2007 (UTC)