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I seek John Connor. --Cyberman 06:45, August 13, 2005 (UTC)

I still seek John Connor. --Cyberman 03:28, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Should we add to the disambiguation page John Connors, the former CFO of Microsoft?--Whirling 07:39, August 1, 2006 (UTC)

Contents

[edit] Cleanup

The information in this article is organized like some sort of fansite, with all this pseudo-roleplaying in the writing. Just look at this thing:

[edit] July 24th, 2004 (Judgement Day)

The third terminator to be sent back in time is the T-X, which was sent to 1:14 AM July 24th, 2004. Unlike it's two predecessors, the T-X's primary objective was to terminate the following young people who would become John's generals in the future:

  1. Anderson, Elizabeth (Terminated)
  2. Anderson, William (Terminated)
  3. Barrera, José (Terminated)
  4. Brewster, Katherine
  5. Brewster, Robert (Terminated)
  6. ???
  7. Holand, ???
  8. ???, Ted
  9. ???

That is not how an encyclopedia article on a work of fiction should go. Especially the whole bit with the "Terminated" next to the names.--Foot Dragoon 05:33, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Age

Was John Connor really 13 in Terminator 2, as stated in Terminator 3? I thought he was 10 in T2?--Tim

He was 10. That was a major continuity error by the makers of Terminator 3. - Annie D 22:06, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
Why did the writers change Connor's age from 10 to 13, and why was it allowed to stay that way to begin with?--Tim
Personal opinion: because the script for T3 was crap. There are several other discrepancies that, quite frankly, shouldn't exist. EVula // talk // ☯ // 18:59, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Explain!--Tim

I haven't listened to any commentaries or watched any behind-the-scenes documentaries that might explain this, but from what I'm guessing, the makers of Terminator 3 were either not aware of the canon established by the previous movies, or they didn't care about it. -- Annie D 06:43, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
I have a theory about the age thing: They got the "13" thing from one of the film's taglines, which reads "Ten Years Ago. The Machines Who Rule The Future Sent An Unstoppable Terminator To Assassinate The Yet Unborn John Connor. They Failed. In 1991. The Machines Will Try Again." Maybe they got the 1981 birth from that tagline. -- Tim 4 February, 2007

Sarah's and john's birth dates?

sarah: According to James Cameron's script, Sarah Connor is 19 years old in the first Terminator. But you wouldn't know that from the movie. If you accept a real theory, where Terminator 2 take place 10 years after first one, her age is OK, because Dr. Silberman speaks in the beginning of T2 about Sarah like "A 29-year-old female". We can see the T-800 with her student's card

Here is the explanation buddies it seems the makers of T3 mistakely assumed the birth dates of the real actors for their characters, instead of using the fictional ones of their characters, with a sign on Sarah's coffin stating a "1956-1997" date, as when the first Terminator was shot, the actress Linda Hamilton was 28 while fictionaly in T1 she is 18/19.

the T2 took place fictionaly in 1994/1995 not 1991 but a few years into the future (then) heck even the malibu comics prove this

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.109.130.11 (talk) 14:55, 4 February 2007 (UTC).

Can someone provide a cited source that shows the either of the ages in question? I think the info should be left out until a source can be provided. Thoughts? Roguegeek (talk) 04:07, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

In reading the source provided that is suppose to back the 10 year old claim, it state the following:
"who arrives from the future to protect a rebellious teenager and future leader"
10 years old is not a "teenager." I'm not trying to agree or disagree with anyone. Just trying to point out how this fact is difficult to nail down considering all of the bad sources. Thoughts? Roguegeek (talk) 04:30, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
As far as T2 is concerned, John Connor is 10, it's confirmed visually when the T-1000 pulls up John's information on the police computer. I had made a screencap of the computer screen and uploaded it for this article during a previous dispute on the same issue, but after it was agreed 10 was his correct age, the image was declared unnecessary and deleted. Annie D (talk) 05:30, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
I linked to the T2 script, which was linked on Wikipedia's T2 page. I'm surprised this is available online, but it seems legit. In section 14 and also 24 John is explicitly described as a 10 year old. Further, many sources describe T1 as being set in 1984 with T2 taking place a decade later making John approximately 10 (his exact age depends on what month he was conceived and what month is the present in T2, which isn't clear to me). However the script, if it's legitimate, reveals the intention of the writers and I think we should defer to that. Fritter (talk) 05:38, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

New editor SamMcConnaughey (talk · contribs) just blanked the entire T2 section. According to his user page, he thinks the age should be 13. I reverted the vandalism. - Colfer2 (talk) 18:28, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Terminator and John

Okay, explain this: In "The Terminator," Kyle tells sarah that the teminator "can't be bargained with." In T3, when the terminator is about to kill John Connor, John asks the terminator not kill him. The Terminator obeys. Can someone explain!?--Tim, 6 January, 2007 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.109.136.128 (talk) 03:32, 7 January 2007 (UTC).

Kyle was talking about the Terminators programmed by Skynet to be ruthless killing machines. The Terminator John Connor faces in that scene has been re-programmed as a protector by Katherine Brewster. Annie D 03:39, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Intelligence

In T2, John Connor was experienced with weapons and such and was smart; in T3, he was slow-witted and not that smart. What happened? -- Tim, 22 March, 2007

[edit] Marriage

Nothing in the first two Terminator movies mention Connor having a wife--Catherine Brewster. Then why was she mentioned in T3, and not the other two? -- Tim, 23 March, 2007

Because the events of T2 led to an alternate future (T3)... at the time of T2 they didn't know that future would come about. In other words, ignore T3 because it's crap. Dinsdale1234 19:18, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Actually, that's about all I can come up with, too. I tried coming up with a nifty in-universe explanation for it, but T3 really is just a piece of shit. If I had a dollar for every continuity error it introduced, I could single-handedly support the Wikimedia Foundation for a few years. EVula // talk // ☯ // 19:21, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
While I agree with these views, the talk page is not for discussing the article's topic, only the improvement of the article's content. -- Annie D 22:09, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Assasination Attempts

On the June 8,1995 part it says that the Terminator was sent back in time at 4:58 AM and in retaliation future John Connor sent the other Terminator back in time at 3:14 AM of the same day. Does this mean that John Connor sent a Terminator back to protect his younger self from a Terminator that had not been sent back yet?

According to the documentaries on the T2 DVD, Skynet sent both their Terminators back one after another, possibly the second one as back-up in case the first one failed. Then John Connor and his team broke into the Skynet mainframe and sent both Kyle Reese and the re-programmed Terminator as protectors. John, of course, already knew to which points in the past he'd have to send the two protectors. -- Annie D 08:13, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

does anyone know why John Connor has to be terminated; after all this lad was the last hope for man kind and the leader! why assasinate your leader!?!? no one no where has mentioned this point!

i thought it over, and it is very relivant!!!! chazfan

[edit] Photo

The photo currently displayed i believe doesn't relate to most and the iconic young John Connor of Edward Furlong in T2. As such i think it should be replaced by something like this http://www.wolfevents.de/expo-store/images/EdFurlong(2).jpg --AnYoNe! 20:59, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

I thought the same, I'm sure a picture like that would be as much fair use as the other images here, Or a similar looking one that is a screenshot of T2 would be OK; the computer screen with John's info is already a screenshot of T2.

Carlwev 04:34, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:John Connor Future.jpg

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[edit] Sarah Connor Chronicles

User:24.11.137.46 added the assassination attempt from the pilot of The Sarah Connor Chronicles to the list of attempted assassinations, but now I think the article needs a little re-working. As far as I can tell, the SCC series exists in alternate timeline from the films and will not take into account the events of T3, so it would be inaccurate to list it alongside the "film-verse" assassinations. I'm thinking of placing the events of the series under a new section, separate from the film-verse events. Chances are there'll be more attempted assassinations in the series anyway. Thoughts? -- Annie D 00:19, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. Considering that there may well be assassination attempts on him the majority of the time throughout the serise, it may be worth just mentioning the series in a new section and not even list each individual attempt. Also, until the pilot has been shown on TV, the decription for 1999 gives too much away 88.105.166.147 19:50, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Edward Furlong

Is it known, why Nick Stahl was chosen for the role instead of, again, Edward Furlong? --84.129.92.96 20:07, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:T2-screenshot.jpg

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BetacommandBot 23:54, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] OVERLY FICTIONAL

There's too many notes throughout this article: everything is "fictional". OF COURSE IT'S FICTIONAL. Stop telling me! --Blue Spider (talk) 00:55, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia isn't supposed to be written from an in-universe perspective. John Connor is fictional, we're supposed to write about him as fictional, not as a real person.  Paul  730 07:49, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
Nevertheless, but it doesn't need to be forced down the readers' throats. . . GG The Fly (talk) 02:17, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Biography streamline

Kudos to the clean-up, the article looks much smoother now. However, there are two points that were removed and I think might be worthwhile restoring. The first is the alternate future of peace that was shown in one Director's Cut for Terminator 2, where Connor is a Senator. Second is the (I'd think important) note that the Sarah Connor Chronicles series will be deliberately distancing itself from the events that happened in T3. Thoughts? Annie D (talk) 06:08, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] clarify list of actors

I had to think for a few seconds to understand the opening of the second full paragraph about the actors who portrayed the character. I propose it be changed from

"Although only mentioned in the original The Terminator, in 1991's sequel Terminator 2: Judgment Day, Connor is portrayed by teenager Edward Furlong and in brief scenes by Michael Edwards depicting John Connor as an adult...."

to something like

"In the original film The Terminator, the name John Connor is only mentioned. In the 1991 sequel Terminator 2: Judgment Day, the character is portrayed by teenager Edward Furlong and, as an adult, in brief scenes by Michael Edwards...."

Maybe my brain is just slow today. In any case, I'm not sure what I proposed is actually what was meant in the original version; hopefully someone can confirm/correct/elaborate.

And why specifically say teenager Edward Furlong?

69.138.244.13 (talk) 04:57, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Attempted assassinations

Maybe it's just me, but I don't like the way this section is getting cluttered up and repeating info already in the biography section. Additionally, putting the "attempted assassinations" from the series alongside T3 might confuse readers who are unfamiliar with the source material. Anyone object to integrating the two sections? Annie D (talk) 00:39, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree, if this section mixes the timeline of SCC with T3 it will get very confusing, given that the two are not even supposed to share continuity. The whole section is kind of redundant. Fritter (talk) 03:39, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Comics/videogames

I don't know thing one about the comics and video games, but I do know that john connor is in them. Should this not be mentioned? Serendipodous 18:27, 15 March 2008 (UTC)