Talk:John Coleridge, 1st Baron Coleridge

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Contents 1 Hastings Russell 2 Henry Seymour 3 Who are these people? 4 More clean-up 5 Shortened

[edit] Hastings Russell

Is the Hastings Russell referred to in fact Francis Russell, 9th Duke of Bedford? The dates fit but there is no mention of this Russell's involvement in Liberal politics or his brother Arthur. Cutler 12:40, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

I think now that it is he. Cutler 22:04, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Henry Seymour

I am happy now with Hastings Russell but who is Henry Seymour? Oxford Dictionary of National Biography gives:

• Seymour, Henry (bap. 1612, d. 1687), courtier
• Seymour, Henry (1729–1805), politician
• Seymour, Lord Henry (1805–1859), patron of the turf

- only the last fits for dates but the bio doesn't look likely.

Wikipedia gives:

• Henry Seymour Conway
• Henry Seymour, 9th Marquess of Hertford
• Lady Gabriella Helen Seymour
• Henry Rawlinson, 1st Baron Rawlinson
• Archibald Henry Algernon Seymour, 13th Duke of Somerset

Only the last fits for dates. The Wikipedia entry is scanty and there is no ODNB entry. My bet is it's him. Cutler 21:41, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Who are these people?

I can't find any reasonable candidates for:

• Lord Arthur Russell, member for Tavistock

Looks like this is Herbrand Russell, 11th Duke of Bedford Cutler 10:18, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, wrong again, this was Hastings Russell's son. I really cannot make this fit. Russell had two brothers. One was Odo Russell, 1st Baron Ampthill, the other does not warrant a mention in the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography so can hardly have been a Lord. I now begin to think that "Lord" was an interpolation into "1911" by the Wikipedia editor. Cutler 10:33, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Yup, looks like "Lord" is an interpolation and he was plain Arthur Russell, not particularly notable member for Tavistock.

• Alexander Mitchell of Stow.

Any ideas? Cutler 22:02, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] More clean-up

I have done some more clean-up on the incredibly POV "1911" article. I removed the following because I have no idea what it means.

A game-preserving landlord had not to thank the gods when his case, however buttressed by generally accepted claims, came before Coleridge.

...Cutler 23:44, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Bit more done, "1911" really does seem to damn him with faint praise. Cutler 00:06, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Shortened

I removed most of the text from this article as I considered the language to be outdated and much of the information to be, not irrelevant, but too detailed for a 21st century reader. I believe the article in place now should be a good starting point for someone with good knowledge of Lord Coleridge to expand it. On a more general note, I also think that articles where most of the material is copied directly from the Encyclopædia Britannica Eleventh Edition are a major problem to Wikipedia. There should be a policy for these to be rewritten. Tryde 12:19, 21 January 2007 (UTC)