Talk:John Babcock

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November 18, 2007 Good article nominee Listed

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Contents 1 Photo request 2 GAN Review: On Hold 2.1 GA passed 3 United States Army service

[edit] Photo request

If anyone has any ideas, please let me know! Attempting to contact Veterans Affairs Canada has gotten me nowhere... Cheers, CP 01:52, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Did you get a reaction at all? Extremely sexy 15:08, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

No, no response whatsoever from the first address I've tried. Since it's been a month, I'm going to send my email to the second address and see what happens. Cheers, CP 15:14, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Good luck, Paul. Extremely sexy 21:39, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, Bart, I have a feeling that I'll need it. The email has been sent to the second address, so we shall see what (if anything) happens. Cheers, CP 04:00, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

I would have sent it to the two e-mail addresses right away, by the way. Extremely sexy 11:16, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, I heard back from them, and they want me to fill out a form and do some other stuff. I'm going to look at it later and see if it's something that can be done. Cheers, CP 16:45, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Great news, Paul. Extremely sexy 12:23, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Turns out that it's not something that can be done... back to square one it seems... Cheers, CP 06:30, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GAN Review: On Hold

I have reviewed this article according to the requirements of the GA criteria and have placed the article on hold until the following issues are addressed:

1. In the intro, consider moving "since the death of Dwight Wilson.[1]" to the sentence "In May 2007, he became the last surviving veteran of the First World War who served with the Canadian forces." Y Done Cheers, CP 21:20, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
2. In the first paragraph of the Early life section, reword some of the sentences to use other words besides "according" which is used three times.Y Done Cheers, CP 21:20, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
3. "On growing up in the area, Babcock claims that he "didn't do very much," although he admits that "It was a fun place to grow up."" Add an inline citation for this; even if it comes from the source at the end of the paragraph each quote should be directly sourced.Y Done Cheers, CP 21:20, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
4. "At only 15 and a half years of age..." Remove "only".Y Done Cheers, CP 21:20, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
5. Fix the link for The Charge of the Light Brigade to The Charge of the Light Brigade (poem).Y Done Cheers, CP 21:20, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
6. "There he underwent a physical, where it was discovered that he was underage." If possible include the actual cut-off age for joining the military at the time.Y Done Cheers, CP 21:20, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
7. "Babcock then undertook an ocean voyage to England, where he got seasick." It's probably not necessary to mention that he got seasick.Y Done Cheers, CP 21:20, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
8. "The ship that he used in passage, the T.S.S. California was torpedoed two trips later as the amount of submarine activity increased." Add the inline citation at the end of the paragraph after this as well.Y Done I just removed it, as the facts didn't line up and it didn't add much anyways. Cheers, CP 21:20, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
9. "This, according to Babcock, was one of innumerable psychological problems that occurred during and after the war." Add the inline citation.Y Done Cheers, CP 21:20, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
10. In the After World War I section, there are several inline citations with a space after the punctuation; make sure they go directly after the punctuation.Y Done Cheers, CP 21:20, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
11. "...and is in good mental and physical health..." Is this at the time of age 65, or is he currently? Reword if this is his current state. The sentence is also going to need an inline citation.Y Done Cheers, CP 21:20, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
12. "Babcock has been married twice, first to Elsie, then to Dorothy, a woman nearly thirty years his junior." Are the last names of the women known?

    No, not that I could find, sorry. Cheers, CP 21:20, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

13. "whom Babcock jokes is a "nice looking gal"." Needs inline citation.Y Done Cheers, CP 21:20, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
14. "while the local coffee shop named their local blend, "The Jack," after him." If possible include an inline citation.Y Done Cheers, CP 21:20, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Other than the above issues, the article looks fine concerning NPOV, broadness, and stability. As per the above discussion, it looks like there is a determined effort to get an image, so keep up with that. If possible, include another free image related to some aspect of his life listed on the article. There might be some military free images available. I will leave the article on hold for seven days for the above issues to be addressed, which shouldn't take too long. Good work on the article so far, it was an interesting read. If you have any questions about the review or when you are done addressing the above issues, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. --Nehrams2020 (talk) 19:27, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

As for the image, I'm still working on that but, as you may imagine, the bureaucracy isn't exactly the fastest of mechanisms, especially given that I'm contacting them from the United States. Anyhow, if there is anything else that needs to be done, please let me know. Cheers, CP 21:20, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA passed

Excellent work on addressing the above issues so quickly. I have passed this article according to the requirements of the GA criteria. Keep improving the article, making sure that all new information is properly sourced. To anyone that reads this review, please consider helping to review articles at WP:GAN to help with the current backlog. New editors are always welcomed, even if it is only to review one or two articles. You can seek instructions here. I have updated the article history of the article to reflect this review. Happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 04:36, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] United States Army service

If Babcock served in the U.S. Army, and made sergeant, becoming a U.S. Citizen in 1946 my guess is that he was also a WWII veteran. Thoughts? V. Joe (talk) 18:16, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

By the time that the United States got involved in World War I, I think he would have been too old to serve overseas, so I don't think that he was a WWII veteran. Plus there's no record of it in any of the sources. 71.42.216.100 (talk) 21:37, 7 February 2008 (UTC)