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Contents 1 DOB 2 The Hanging of Andre 3 Blindfold 4 The Capture of Andre 5 Historical Portrayal section 6 Further Reading

[edit] DOB

stupid The DOB I listed, 5/2/1750, is that given in the ANB. PedanticallySpeaking 17:00, Oct 16, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] The Hanging of Andre

Is there any useful information from John Paulding that can be used to flesh out the description of the hanging of Andre somewhat? That article needs to be edited, but it looks like the criticism of the 'official' story may have useful angles in it. Someone with interest/time may want to look at it. Isoxyl 18:37, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Additional info added 7/8/2006

Just finished reviewing Major John Andre's journal: "Major Andre's Journal: Operations of the British Army", Tarrytown, NY: William Abbatt, 1930. (Reprint: "Eyewitness Accounts of the American Revolution: Major Andre's Journal", New York: The New York Times & Arno Press, 1968). At the end of the journal is an account of his death. I will attempt to add portions of it when I get a chance, unless others are able to post it before me. I could not find an electronic version of it. Jason.torgerson (talk) 00:04, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Anyone lead me to the reference for the poem quoted on the page? Thanks. Jason.torgerson (talk) 22:04, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Blindfold

The article states: "In fact André, according to witnesses, refused the blindfold..." but later, in the words of an eyewitness, "...the victim, after taking off his hat and stock, bandaged his own eyes with perfect firmness..." Which is it? Dyfsunctional 17:07, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

According to Major John Andre's journal: "Major Andre's Journal: Operations of the British Army", Tarrytown, NY: William Abbatt, 1930. (Reprint: "Eyewitness Accounts of the American Revolution: Major Andre's Journal", New York: The New York Times & Arno Press, 1968), the account of his death indicates that Maj Andre' pulled two hankerchief's from his pocket. The first he tied around his eyes, and the second was used to tie his arms/hands together. (I imagine this is so he would not attempt to reach up and hang on to the rope). There are two accounts added to the book that contains his journal. The first account causes some confusion on the binding of his arms-it states that when he was asked if he had any last words that Maj Andre lifted the blindfold and stated "I pray you to bear me witness that I met my fate like a brave man." (p. 109). After which the wagon was pulled out from under him. The other account differs by stating that his arms were bound meaning he would not have been able to lift the blindfold. At any rate the book is a good read. I will attempt to summarize and post at a future date. Jason.torgerson (talk) 00:17, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Capture of Andre

I'm reading letters from Alexander Hamilton who personally took part in the investigation of Andre and the betrayal of Arnold. There is no mention that the three continental patrollers intended to rob Andre, and I would like to see a reference that authoritively shows Andre testifying that the three men intended to rob him. It besmirches the honor accorded to the men who captured him and refused bribery. Those men have monuments built to their honor and were awarded by Washington. Thank you.--MistaButla (talk) 03:18, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

-- Speaking of that, he (Alexander Hamilton, that is) and a lot of others thought that Andre didn't need to be hanged. Should that go somewhere in the article? -- Writergeek7 —Preceding comment was added at 18:57, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Historical Portrayal section

It seems to me that a fair amount of useful information has been removed and replaced by a blanket statement lacking references. However, it's not entirely clear that it's vandalism, so I don't want to take action yet. Could someone else take a look at this? --Blanurozgu (talk) 22:57, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

I concur that the section is not historical in nature. It reads more like a soap-opera. Not what a professional historian would necessarily include in a "Historical Portrayal" Section. I agree it needs to be re-worked...also unable to determine whether vadalism played a part or not. I just finished conducting a historical review of the Philadelphia Campaign of 1777 and read Maj Andre's journal and other information pertaining to the individual. Sincerely yours, jt -- Jason.torgerson (talk) 22:03, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Further Reading

Just as a thought, there's two sections at the end that say "further reading" with different books. Could someone combine them into 2 -- I'm a little leery of doing so because I'm a klutz when it comes to computers.  :) -- Writergeek7 —Preceding comment was added at 19:00, 1 June 2008 (UTC)