Talk:Joe Capilano

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[edit] disambig'ing "Cowichan"

In 1906 he, along with Cowichan Chief Charley Isipaymilt and Secwepemc Chief Basil David,

Would the "Cowichan Chief" be the "grand chief" of the Cowichan Tribes band government, or a chief of one of the subgroups combined wihttn it? "Cowichan" isn't a proper indigenous name, and its cognate Quwutsun is only one of the groups. Similar issue with the Secewpemc Chief....any idea from which band, or was he a tribal-council/national level chief - "Grand Chief" also? Probably their names should be redlinked also....Skookum1 (talk) 14:02, 30 April 2008 (UTC) I have no idea. It's 1906 so I don't know how much of the band government there is. I believe in that sentence it means Cowichan as the whole, but I'm not sure which sub-group. Sorry dude, I just don't know. I'll see if I find references anywhere else. OldManRivers (talk) 16:13, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, historical chiefs - both traditional and Indian Act - are all eventually gonna have articles...."Cowichan" isn't an ethnographically-correct name, as I understand; there is no "Cowichan people", not inclusive of others than the Quwutsun anyway In the old days as you may know "Cowidgin" under various spellings was used to talk about all the Gulf of Georgia/Fraser Valley Salish, including the Songhees and other Straits Salish, and also I think "you guys"; I'll add comments about that to the Cowichan disambig once I assemble some examples; thre'll be some in the assemblage of links I'll be posting on my talkpage....somewhere/sometime we're gonna have to work on Chief, or whatever its indigenous subarticle is, because of si:yam, hyas tyee etc. BTW had some thoughts on clan/moiety articles, re some existent in Category:Tsimshian and related content on Tlingit and Haida etc, but I'll get back to you on that.....Skookum1 (talk) 16:35, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

I know Cowichan isn't a ethnographically-correct term, but I place it there because the later doesn't exist. There is the Cowichan Tribes, but of course that's band council related. I'll ask my cousins partner, he's cowichan, about the names. As for chief business, it'll be difficult. I'm unsure about the siyam thing because there is different spelling for all of the ones who use that word. Shishalh, Skwxwu7mesh, Halkemelem, etc. OldManRivers (talk) 17:53, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

I realize that....but an article, some day, about the "class system" of the peoples is needed, and on whatever the "chief" page is it should be discussed. I'd say go with the usage from the largest language (Halkomelem...if there's a consistent spelling across the three dialects that is....). My enquiry/comment above about clan/moiety issues on the North Coast is similar; the "Salmon-Eater" and "Killer Whale" clans are currently written up under their Tsimshian names (I think Gispwudwada is the k.w. article)), and on the Tlingit page a photo caption mentions the Tlingit name of a clan, doesn't say which one (looks a lot like the CJ word for "rabbit", though - kwickshaddie). Interior clans are different from North Coast, North Coast are different from South Coast, no doubt are different in Puget Sound too..but when there's commonalities within regions it behooves "us" to try and link up the connections, no? Damn I wish I had a salary to be doing all this, huh?Skookum1 (talk) 19:00, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

and include the others as variants....