Talk:Jock (athlete)

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[edit] Bruce Weber

Why does the Bruce Weber article not refer to the "photography" mentioned int his article? Lionelbrits 18:42, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Stupid

This article is inane for the most part. It does a reasonable job of presenting the jock stereotype but the last two sentences seem like nothing more than the repressed anguish of some poor abused student, and should be removed.—This unsigned comment was added by 18.248.7.186 (talk • contribs) .

I agree. The last two sentences are not clearly written, confusing, and seeminly pointless in their current form. They should be either removed or reworded for greater clarity.

The arousal inspired by jock's athletic bodies, coupled with the fear they inspire through bullying, has made the stereotype a classic icon in erotica, and in marketing such as that used by Abercrombie and Fitch.

This sentence is vague.

I agree with the above comments. It seems as if the article were written by victims of jock abuse. Overall, the article is boring. Rintrah 15:19, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


I wonder if the origin of the word comes from the Italian giacatore -- pronounced jock-a-tor-ay.

For instance, former teammates in the NFL told Esera Tuaolo they would injure him if they found out that he had a male companion. - Ummm yeah. I am a male who has had many male companions but am not gay. I think what is meant is lover, boyfriend, or sexual partner. The number of female companions I have had would make me almost as promiscuous as Casanova, if there is no distinction between a euphemism and an actual denotation. Rintrah 11:48, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reworded

I've reworked the article somewhat. I think it sounds much better and more professional (and not like it was written by a middle-schooler). Lets look into sculpting the article so that we can get rid of those cleanup and citation needed tags. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.241.107.19 (talk) 23:43, 21 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Only a stereotype?

Comparing this article to the article on Preppies one can spot a few differences in the approach. Although this deals very well with Jock as a popular culture stereotype it has little to say about the actual real life Jock subculture as it identifies itself or as others identify it. That's probably why its NPOV is being disputed, there's no separation here between fact and fiction, essentially because there's no direct attempt to cover factual aspects. --JamesTheNumberless 16:29, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Off-the-Field

Does not receive punishment for off-the-field offenses as severe a non-jock would for similar or identical mishaps. - What does that mean? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.30.133.174 (talk) 00:09, 4 January 2007 (UTC).

It means that schools tend to let jocks get away with anything -- take that business with the Duke lacrosse players raping those girls. --PhoenixVTam 19:00, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

For what it's worth, there was only one accuser in the 2006 Duke University lacrosse team scandal, and rape charges have subsequently been dropped or are not being pursued. --Ssbohio 00:52, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

True, but I seriously doubt Duke University would have bent over backwards to readmit students guilty of -- at the very least -- sexual harassment and bad behavior like that if they weren't sports jocks. Jocks get away with a lot more than "regular" students because the school *wants* to get those prestigious victories in intercollegiate sports. --PhoenixVTam 22:57, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Phoenix, you're ignoring the fact that such a gross, public injustice was done to these accused. I hardly believe that they "got away" with anything. I would argue that given their status as athletes, they were treated MORE unfairly, with harsher punishment (e.g., suspension of the entire season, 24 hour international negative publicity, magazine covers) than the typical rape cases that happen on a daily basis and go uncovered by the media. And that's for people whom the district attorney's office went on to call "innocent." So what kind of preferential treatment do you think they got? 205.212.74.209 17:58, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] How to proceed with this article

I'm considering stubbifying this article unless I (or someone else) finds the time to improve this article's point of view, among other things. I added descriptive quotes and a cited source to one section of the article, and I'd liek to do more, but I have such little time. --Ssbohio 00:52, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

I'd even go as far as suggesting that this article be marked for deletion; it so weak and there seems to be so little to say about the matter that isn't entirely comprised of poorly written high-school TV drama/ teen movie stereotypes. I merely throw out this suggestion as a challenge to those interested to articulate why it should be kept and to defend the subject matter as worthy of encyclopedic inclusion.205.212.74.209 18:02, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] XY editorial

I looked at the link to the XY editorial, and it doesn't look like this article did a very good job of representing its contents. First of all, it's written as a tongue-in-cheek "fairy tale" (pun presumably intended), so it's not appropriate to say that the editor made those claims about the real A&F. (Yes, it's the obvious target, but the semifiction format is specifically chosen so that the editor would have some poetic license.) Furthermore, the editorial is about A&F specifically; it's not an essay on jock culture. It even acknowledges that it once praised the A&F catalog's imagery. Its complaint is about the organization's advertising practices; it seems to be denouncing the practice of selling products with homoeroticism but spurning overt association with gays. A common point, but not one that has anything to do with jocks.

Get rid of the bit, I say. 205.212.74.209 15:17, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


[edit] List of characteristics

should be added and expanded.

One good example is Bright Abbott for Everwood tv-show. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.207.242.5 (talk) 07:13, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

why is there on going references to gym teachers? im removing them. SexyLui 21:13, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] POV

This article sucks! It's highly negative towards jocks.

When it comes to bullying, not all jocks are overly violent, they just protect their dignity and close people sometimes. I think the best practise is to be calm and to ignore bad people. However, you look like a jerk if you let others humiliate you. Then, you should ignore them. There are jocks that ignore it at the beginning, like me. Most people stop humiliating and teasing you here. However, if they are so bad and/or dumb that nothing stops them from humiliating you or someone you love, what should you do? Just stare? Or have an argument? Words hurt more than fighting. Usually that is the point you should slap them or do something like this. It's always better than scandals, because it makes your emotions go out, whether scandals make you feel bad inside. That is not violence to me, it is stating your rights and dignity. 213.240.234.212 (talk) 17:52, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] moved from Jock (subculture) to Jock (athlete)

See Talk:List_of_subcultures#spring_cleaning_time. It's not listed as a subculture at High_school_subcultures, and article describes the topic as being a stereotype --Enric Naval (talk) 21:36, 9 June 2008 (UTC)