User talk:Jobey

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Hello, Jobey, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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[edit] Speedy deletion of Jewish organizations

A tag has been placed on Jewish organizations, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done for the following reason:

This article should be made into a category instead. As it stands, it is an indiscriminate list that is too broad in nature.

Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not meet very basic Wikipedia criteria may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as an appropriate article, and if you can indicate why the subject of this article is appropriate, you may contest the tagging. To do this, add {{hangon}} on the top of the page and leave a note on the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm its subject's notability under the guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Realkyhick 13:28, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rudd the 2nd Queensland PM etc

Hi Jobey. I know what you're trying to achieve and I generally support the inclusion of something along these lines, as long as we can get the wording right. We can't even hint at suggesting that PMs are directly elected - and I think you've tried to avoid that - otherwise the wikibrigade will quickly make their views known. Your last edit was: He has become the second only Prime Minister from Queensland to have won office since Andrew Fisher in 1910, 1914. Another editor changed "second" to "first", which is correct since we wouldn't take Fisher into account if we're counting "since Fisher". If we were talking about all Queenslanders who've received a popular mandate as PM, then Rudd would be the second.

My concern is that by telling only this story, it tends to mask the facts that (a) there have been 4 Queensland PMs, not only 2, and (b) Fisher's first term was not a popular mandate either. People will see the name "Fisher" and assume that he only ever came to office following an election, which is not the case. Rather than just this sentence, I'd prefer to have a brief paragraph along the lines of:

Kevin Rudd is only the second Queenslander to receive a popular mandate as Prime Minister, the first being Andrew Fisher in 1910 (although Fisher had first become Prime Minister in 1908 when the Alfred Deakin government resigned). Arthur Fadden (1941) and Frank Forde (1945) were also Prime Ministers for short periods, but in neither case did they have a popular mandate - in Fadden's case the incumbent Robert Menzies resigned; in Forde's case the incumbent John Curtin died.

Any suggestions for improvement welcome. -- JackofOz (talk) 06:46, 17 December 2007 (UTC)