Talk:Joan I of Naples
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The genealogy is wrong - see [1] for instance - and the article is written like a Danielle Steel novel. muriel@pt 17:31, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- I decided to cut the thing down. Previous text is in History, if someone cares to have a look... muriel@pt 16:32, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Brothel
For more details on her brothel see Paul LaCroix's "A history of Prostitution" (1926)--Irishpunktom\talk 10:30, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
- The mention here of the brothel, which makes Joan sound like a glorified madam, doesn't make much sense to me (in fact, I don't know if it deserves a mention at all in this article). What the text says is that "on August 8, 1347 she opened a large brothel on the property in Avignon . . . She later sold all the property in Avignon to Pope Clement VI, effectively ending the prostitution trade in Avignon".
- To my reckoning, she sold Avignon to Clement VI in 1348; that would make the brothel so short-lived as to be historically negligible, surely. On the other hand, I suspect that not only were there brothels in Avignon before this but that — human nature being what it is — they continued to operate under Clement VI (the chances of the prostitution trade in Avignon having been suddenly ended by Clement VI, of all people, seem to me laughable).
- And what is meant by "the property" in one sentence, as opposed to "all the property" in the next? Is it the palace, the town, or the whole domain sold by Joan? It's not clear. OK, it's possible that if Clement VI moved into the very building where a brothel was in full swing, the old boy, notoriously corrupt though he was, may indeed have sent the prostitutes packing with a papal flea in their ears - but they'd probably just have shifted along the road.
- On the face of it, Joan's sale of Avignon seems an impetuous and irresponsible act. It is partly explained by her need for the antipope's support; but I wonder how much effect the Black Death was having at this moment, in 1348. Perhaps Avignon had simply turned into a hell-hole; maybe Joan's income there had entirely dried up.
--qp10qp 18:41, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
LOOKING FOR A RELIABLE SROUCE ON JOAN I OF NAPLES:
I had the same thoughts regarding the brothel. In general, I would like to find a very good scholarly work on the Angevin Family in Naples during this period, or on Joan I of Naples. I would really like to track down the correspondence of Joan of Naples to the Pope. I am sure that many actual documents were lost in WWII, but diplomatic editions must exist. I will write again as soon as I find anything.
rdiakite@fsc.edu
