Talk:Joan Baez

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NYPDP here. It's Saint Patrick's Day, 2005. I did a little tweaking and Strunking on this fine article. I do wonder whether or not it needs to be a discography, though. As such, it is woefully incomplete. I was proud to cite the Woodstock credit. It's very difficult to add information while keeping a lid on the gush factor! To Joan!

too many broken links!!!!!!!!!

[edit] Mary Hamilton

There is an Infobox on Mary Hamilton, in case someone wants to fill it in with the data from Joan Baez's album.Pustelnik (talk) 21:56, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gracias a la Vanguard, etc.

I believe that the Discography at the end of the article, constantly updated, is wonderful. A sentence like " her latest album is Dark Chords..." is useless in terms of encyclopedic content. What happens when that's no longer true? It'll be like crossing out the tattooed names of ex-girlfriends. I suggest that Joan's story be told in terms of people, places and events other than who she signed with and in what year. We can do better than a Tower Records shopping list with a life like this one, people. Anyone care to mention Ghandi? Martin Luther King? Kris Kriskriskriskris? All those Make-out Artist of the Year Awards??

All great points! I just added a couple of paragraphs about Joan's work on behalf of human rights, her involvement in MLK's March on Washington, her trip to Hanoi, etc. Definitely a "work in progress", and I'm sure someone can expand on my points, plenty of room for improvement.

I changed the phrase "carpet bombing" to "bombing" in this sentence--

"During her time there, she was caught in Richard Nixon's "Christmas bombing" of Hanoi, during which the city was carpet bombed for eleven straight days."

Carpet bombing cities was what happened in WW2. Had Hanoi been carpet bombed for 11 days, it would have ceased to exist. achilles 27 Sept 2005

Why on earth is Joan Baez included in the list of bisexual musicians. She is straight and has said she is not a lesbian. Years ago she said she had one(1) girl encounter. Now everyone thinks she is bisexual. Just because someone supports gay rights doesn't mean they are gay.

[edit] Her style in the mid-late 60s

Like Dylan, Baez was profoundly influenced by the British Invasion and began augmenting her acoustic guitar on 1965's Farewell Angelina just after Dylan began experimenting with folk-rock. Later in the decade, Baez (1968's A Journey Through Our Time) and country music (1968's Any Day Now).


I expanded the German article with some of the information given in this article, but I didn't really understand, what the bold parts above meant. Can anyone tell me maybe in other words or something? TIA, --Flominator 13:58, 17 August 2005 (UTC)


augmenting her acoustic guitar Baez started out only accompanying herself with her own acoustic guitar, but with 1965's Farewell, Angelina, she added bass and electric guitar for the first time.


experimented with poetry Baez' 1968 Baptism album wea a collection of poetry, spoken and sung to orchestrated accompaniment.

Markt3 August 24, 2005


  • Joan Baez, bisexual?? is that link accurate, or necessary? J. Van Meter

August 25, 2006

I wholeheartedly agree with Van Meter's comment. It is completely irrelevant and irresponsible for Wikipedia to mention Joan Baez's sexual bias. There is ZERO academic value, which is what we want to uphold, by mentioning this.

If the writer is so interested in people's sex lives, it would only be fair for the writer to tell about his or her own. But please spare us and spare us the fixation with people's sexual lives. I'd like to see Wikipedia's editors remove this reference or I shall.

Thank you, JFW

In her autobiography, as well as a number interviews Joan has admitted to having had a relationship with another woman in the early '60s (between when she left her first boyfriend, Michael, and when she became involed with Dylan). Her statment regarding the issue was something to the effect that she enjoyed it, doesn't regret it, but has never had the conscious desire to do it again, but that she nonetheless would have to technically describe herself as being bisexual, given that it was such a significant relationship in her life. I'm paraphrasing, and maybe someone could correct any innacuracies in what I've just said. I don't have access to my copy of "And a Voice to Sing With" at the moment, so I can't provide the exact quote. Markt3 8/26/05


I am surprised that no one has put anything down about her fame beginning with the Free Speech Movement (FSM) in Berkeley, really the start of real west-coast activism in the '60s. I'll put something together and post. Jordanf 10/19/05


Two things.

1. The quote from Joan herself regarding her "bisexuality," taken from her 1987 autobiography, "And A Voice to Sing With."

"In 1972, I was talking with a young reporter from a Berkeley paper. He asked me if I was heterosexual. I said simply that if the affair I'd had ten years ago counted, then I was bisexual.... what I would say now if asked the same thing is the following: I had an affair with a girl when I was twenty-two... I assume that the homosexuality within me, which people love to say is in all of us, made itself felt at that time, and saved me from becoming cold and bitter towards everyone. I slowly mended, and since the affair with Kimmie have not had another affair with a woman not the concious desire to."

2. Joan is not a vegetarian! I don't know why people think this is the case (something to do with being a pacifist?), but it is simply not true. phoenixrisingftm 10/28/05

Um...vegetarian? It's a lovely point you make, phoenixrising, but yours is the first mention of the "V" word connected to this article, or did I miss it? Who's calling Joan names?? NYPDP 4/06

"Her disquiet at the human rights violations of communist Vietnam made her increasingly critical of its government and she organized the publication, on May 30, 1979, of a full-page advertisement, published in four major U.S. newspapers, in which the communists were described as having created a nightmare (which put her at odds with a large segment of the domestic left wing, who were uncomfortable criticizing a leftist regime. In a letter of response, Jane Fonda said she was unable to substantiate the "claims" Baez made regarding the atrocities being committed by the Khmer Rouge)"

There seems to be a confusion here. Are we talking Vietnamese communists or are we talking Khmer Rouge communists? These two groups have been opposed to each other during most of their existence. --194.145.161.227 21:15, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

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I wholeheartedly agree with Van Meter's comment. It is completely irrelevant and irresponsible for Wikipedia to mention Joan Baez's sexual bias. There is ZERO academic value, which is what we want to uphold, by mentioning this.

Indeed, one wonders what the left-wing infatuation is with sexuality generally. If it has no place in Wiki, what relevance does it have vis a vis 'coming out' ? Precisely zero.

[edit] Section names

Who named the sections? They're so lame. "Rippin' along towards middle-age" isn't about her middle age and sounds like a cheesy book. "Motherhood, music & moog synthesizers" isn't about any of those things, it's about her career after Vanguard. glocks out 20:17, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reorganization

I just did a major reorganization. It will probably need another reorganization, but this at least makes it manageable. There was quite a bit of duplication of material, so I tried to remove any information that was in there more than once. -Maximusveritas (talk) 05:13, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Glad you tackled this - it's much improved. I've gone over it again and removed some more redundancies as well as consolidated a few sections - there still may be too many. I also reduced excessive wikilinks, added some references, requested some others, removed some irrelevant stuff and did some copy editing. Still needs work. Tvoz |talk 07:56, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Bicking & loving

The clause The two bickered and made love back and forth — referring to Baez and boyfriend Michael New — sounds odd and slightly comical. Also, the phrase "make love," which in earlier eras connoted courtship and romance, has come to denote almost exclusively sexual relations, and seems invasively graphic in this sort of general biography. Sca (talk) 19:46, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Category:American anti-Iraq War activists

User:Thoughtman keeps removing this article from Category:American anti-Iraq War activists.

A person qualifies for the category if she (a) is opposed to the war in Iraq and (b) is an American residing in America who has said publicly either that (i) she believes that the Iraq War was illegal from the beginning or (ii) she believes that the Iraq War is being waged imprudently and she has become publicly known as a critic of the war or the justifications used to launch it.

This article has an entire section about Baez's public opposition to the war in Iraq. In my view, she satisfies the criteria for inclusion in the category. What do other editors think? — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 03:16, 6 June 2008 (UTC)