Talk:Joan, Lady of Wales

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Why is she known as Lady of Wales instead of Princess of Wales, if her husband is Prince of Wales?Drachenfyre 08:45, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Princess of Wales is a courtesy title held by the wife of the Prince of Wales since the first "English" Prince of Wales in 1282. This Joan was the wife of a "Welsh" Prince of Wales and thus didn't receive the title princess.

Due to the mortality rate and the fact that some Princes of Wales did not marry before ascending to the throne, there have in fact been only ten Princesses of Wales. The first being the wife of the Black prince, Joan of Kent (held title 1361–1376) -- fdewaele, 23 febaruary 2007, 10:35.

Why could not the wife of the Welsh prince of Wales receive the curtesy title of Princess of Wales? Drachenfyre 05:02, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

• • The reference to Joan's imprisonment at Llanfaes is a fiction invented by the novelist Sharon Penman in 'Here Be Dragons' and should not be included with the facts that are known. When asked why she had chosen Llanfaes, Sharon's reply was 'I thought that it would be more romantic in the eyes of my readers.'

In fact Joan, half sister of Henry III, was kept away from the eyes of the world at the royal home Garth Celyn, presumably to hide the fact that she was pregnant. History constantly repeats itself. An example: the son, Michael, born to Princess Margaret. The sister of the Queen of England was hidden from view during her pregnancy at Faenol Hall, near Bangor.BrynLlywelyn 10:30, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

• • The comment above by BrynLlywelyn states that a son Michael was born to Princess Margaret as if it was a fact, which of course it was not. I have not heard before of an alleged son of Joan and William de Braose. Substantiation for this point should be provided if it is to be taken seriously. Welys (talk) 11:40, 29 May 2008 (UTC) Welys 29 May 08

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This sentence doesn't make sense, I have removed it for someone else to source and revise. SedatedGodzilla 02:16, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

"=Note= In Welsh, Joan's name is written as "Siwan" because that was her real name , she was celtiv but the english call her joan"

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The listing of Joan's mother as "Regina Clementia" may not mean "Queen Clemence" - particularly as there is no record of this woman Clemence and she certainly was not the Queen.

Clementia means mercy and also can be used to address someone e.g. "Clementia tua" means "Your Grace". This could mean "Her Grace the Queen".

She is not, however, a daughter of King John and Isabelle of Angouleme, so this does not solve the mystery of who her mother is, but it may be a valid alternative interpretation. Welys (talk) 11:40, 29 May 2008 (UTC) Welys 29 May 08