User talk:Jneil

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I noticed that the article J. Neil Schulman contains an exact copy of the text available at [1]. If you are, in fact, J. Neil Schulman, please put a notice on that page releasing the document under a GFDL-compatible license, or verify that the inclusion of that information is not, in fact, a copyright violation.

If you're not J. Neil Schulman, you'll have to obtain permission from him to include that text here, or we can't keep it.

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Thanks! If you have any questions, comment on my user talk page here: [2] grendel|khan 23:45, 2004 Jun 4 (UTC)

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[edit] Show us proof

You have an obligation to post evidence that you are in fact Neil J Shuman, if you wish to make such claims.

That's "J. Neil Schulman," not "Neil J Shuman." If you don't even know that you haven't been in any branch of the libertarian movement to qualify yourself for editing anything of substance.

Proof? Go to my website at http://www.jneilschulman.com/. Scroll down to links, get my email address from there, and email me at that email address. That will verify my identity.

Additionally, in regards to this quote from the agorist article:

Schulman: "Agorists are divided on the question of intellectual property rights in that Konkin wrote the article "Copywrongs"in opposition to the concept and I countered SEK3's arguments in "Informational Property: Logorights.""

If Shulman differs from Konkin (and ALL other agorists), on this issue then he is obviously not an Agorist.. He is in fact likely closer to AnCapism, please do not continue to make claims that he is an agorist. Agorists are not divided on copyright legitimacy, Shulman differs from agorists.

First of all, who the hell are you to be judging who and who is not an Agorist? I'm the author of Alongside Night, the 1979 novel that introduced the concept of Agorism to the general public. I was an editor on all of Samuel Edward Konkin III's magazines beginning in 1972, and SEK3 assigned me Membership #4 in the Movement of the Libertarian Left. I organized the first conferences on Counter-Economics, CounterCon I and CounterCon II in 1974 and 1975, which were the first venues in which SEK3 spoke about counter-economics and Agorism.

As for your claim that "Konkin (and ALL other agorists)" agree on the question of intellectual property, then that statement alone disqualifies you from knowing enough about the history of the movement to be editing articles on Agorism or counter-economics.

SEK3 and I founded the Agorist movement. Tell me who you are and I'll tell you whether you are one or not.

sorry, I have read quite a bit of libertarian theory, and I never head of "JNEIL" before your edits, so I admit my mistake in not understanding how you name is correctly typed... this, however does not make my edits, or knowledge on the subjects of libertarianism, anarchism, ancapism, or agorism any less available. you can make arguments from intimidation, but the fact remains that you have yet to show evidence of your identity. ~71.205.253.125 (talk · contribs)
"SEK3 and I founded the Agorist movement. Tell me who you are and I'll tell you whether you are one or not." I never claimed I was, in fact I do not enjoy labels, as too often the label is corrupted by less than honorable people, for less than honorable reasons. Thank you, but I know what I believe, and I do not need your blessings. ~71.205.253.125 (talk · contribs)

[edit] Agorism

It is completely improper for you to continue to use the Agorism article as a vehicle for self-promotion or for the pushing of your particular interpretation or POV on the matter. Please refrain from such behavior. ---TheoldanarchistComhrá 21:30, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

It is completely improper for the surviving founder of Agorism to have his contributions to the main article on the subject continually deleted by Johnny-come-latelies who don't have the credentials to do so.

This is not "self-promotion." This is mounting a defense against an Orwellian re-writing of history by persons attempting to hijack the term to redefine it according to their own narrow prejudices. -- J. Neil Schulman

ironic that you dont see how you are attempting to hijack the meaning from Konkin.~71.205.253.125 (talk · contribs)

[edit] Warning regarding addition of POV to articles

Please do not add commentary or your own personal analysis to Wikipedia articles. Doing so violates Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy and breaches the formal tone expected in an encyclopedia. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thank you.---TheoldanarchistComhrá 03:33, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Who are you to be dictating terms regarding the article on Agorism? I have a name and a face. Before I prove to you that I'm J. Neil Schulman, how about you prove to me that you're not a software program?

FYI he is not dictating the terms regarding the article on agorism, he is dictating the terms for WIKIPEDIA. Self referencing is frowned upon, let alone your lofty claims that you helped Konkin found agorism. I see a little man, attempting to secure his legacy on the coat-tails of another.~71.205.253.125 (talk · contribs)

Aside from the ad hominem attack, the situation has not changed. Proof of my identity as "J. Neil Schulman" is available by going to my official website at http://www.jneilschulman.com, using the contact page, and emailing me. My authorship of Alongside Night is not in dispute, nor is its publication date. Anyone can look at the masthead of SEK3's magazines going back to 1972 and see my name on them. Anyone can verify that SEK3 first spoke on Agorism at the CounterCon conferences I organized -- the tapes of SEK3's talks on CounterEconomics at CounterCon II were marketed by Robert Kephart's Audio Forum. You can do a Google search on the AnarchoVillage where SEK3 and I lived as neighbors for ten years from 1975 to 1984. You can check out that I'm moderator of the Left-Libertartain Yahoo Group founded by SEK3. You can do a Google search on the SEK3 memorial and you'll find that I was its organizer. And you can check with SEK3's brother, Alan Konkin, and you'll find that I'm executor of SEK3's estate.

As I said before, my contributions to an encyclopedia article on Agorism from Wikipedia articles on that subject, and from the Wikipedia articles on SEK3 and myself, are from a primary source. I was there at the birth of Agorism and helped midwife it. SEK3 and I outlined his manuscript on counter-economics on our 1975 automobile drive cross country when we and two others moved from NYC to Long Beach.

Charging me with being a little man interested in self promotion when I am simply correcting the historical record is Orwellian.

Neil, there is no question that you are an authority on Agorism. The problem is that Wikipedia does not publish original research, even from experts. Wikipedia is primarily a tertiary source, and never a primary one. Given that you are notable enough for your own article, content from publications by you can be used to reference Wiki articles. So it would be very helpful here if you could mention which of your essays the content is coming from, so that we can cite them. Regards, Skomorokh incite 13:54, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Picture

I notice you recently added an external link to this image to the infobox of the J.Neil Schulman article. Wikipedia typically only uses images that have been uploaded under a fair-use or free licence to Wikipedia or Wikicommons. For info about how to do this, check out Wikipedia:Image use policy, Wikipedia:Uploading images and fair use rationales. Regards, Skomorokh incite 19:13, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Since I am J. Neil Schulman and the external link has been provided by me to content on my own website. obviously, as copyright owner of that image, I am authorized to publish it or a link to it on another website. This is a trivial challenge designed by someone who is merely being annoyingly obtuse.

I agree completely that you have the right to use the image as you wish on your own websites, but Wikipedia has a policy that images cannot be remotely linked - but have to be uploaded to Wikipedia itself. This is so that external websites don't have to pay hosting fees for readers of Wikipedia, and so that the image cannot be changed by operators of the external site. It is a non-negotiable policy. I'd upload the image myself, but the copyright owner needs to explicitly release the copyright or sanction Wikipedia to use it, and I don't own the copyright. Skomorokh incite 13:49, 6 January 2008 (UTC)