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Contents 1 Mo.wp 2 List of Stalinists 3 refs 4 DYK 5 Wikiproject anti-war, Article improvement drive 6 DYK 7 Subotica 8 Meetup/Seattle3 9 West Bank 10 Ethnic clashes of Targu Mures 11 Dead entertainers 12 Dumbfounded (Spanish cuisine) 13 VfD: Jews and non-Jews 14 Surprised 15 :es:Ignacio Zuloaga xlation/incorporation into en:I.Z. done 16 SSNP 17 RFC links 18 Wikipedia:Spanish Translation of the Week 19 Manele 20 The Feminists 21 Great(er) Romania 22 Systemic bias 23 Jello Biafra 24 DYK 25 Bible verses and chapters on Wikipedia 26 Follow up: Bug report 27 Wikipediology Elections 28 redesigned template. 29 GermanGov tag 30 Machine translations 31 Guernica 31.1 & other things 32 Kronstadt Rebellion

Mo.wp

Hi Joe. You've received a reply to the message you left at mo:Wikipedia:Alegeri. In the meantime I had translated your message into Romanian for those who don't speak English there. The reply is also in Romanian. Basically it refers to, in your words, "the basis for stopping a group of people from pursuing this project if they want to." If you need help in reading the thing please let me know. Cheers. — AdiJapan ☎ 14:29, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

List of Stalinists

Actually, H. Bruce Franklin is on the list because last time around you said "There are avowed Stalinists: H. Bruce Franklin, under whom I studied, Kim Jong-Il, and (missing from the list) Bob Avakian." Was there something in particular that changed your mind? Anyway, you can remove him if you think he's not appropriate. I would keep Kim Jong-il off the list since he's properly a Kimilsungist, not a Stalinist. Gazpacho 10:47, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

refs

you don't have to remind me. it worked. thx! [1]

• and take 30 seconds to read this [2].

SchmuckyTheCat 04:44, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

DYK

Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article The Chesterfield Kings, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Gurubrahma 12:52, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Wikiproject anti-war, Article improvement drive

February 15, 2003 anti-war protest an article from the WikiProject Anti-war, which you are listed as a member of, has been nominated for the Article Improvement Drive (by me ).

It is an article about a day of much importance both to the history of the anti-war movement and to general discussion of the Iraq war. With a little work from experienced editors it could gain FA status. If you would like to see it improved please vote for it at Make "February 15, 2003 anti-war protest" the subject of an Article Improvement Drive--JK the unwise 13:13, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

DYK

Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Kishan Shrikanth, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Subotica

"I don't doubt your numbers at Subotica, but could you please cite your sources?"

Numbers are from the official publication of the Serbian statistical office. Here is their web site:

• http://webrzs.statserb.sr.gov.yu/axd/popis.htm

You can download this data in PDF format there. I do not know exactly which one of those PDF documents is that one. I think it is this one:

• Књига 3: " Вероисповест, матерњи језик и национална или етничка припадност према старости и полу - подаци по општинама"

(приказ садржаја, pdf формат - 442KB )

However, it is in Serbian Cyrillic, I do not know would you be able to read this. PANONIAN (talk) 04:42, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

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I usually cite my sources when I think that those sources are really important and when they speak much about the subject (in this case the subject is Subotica). I did not thought that it would be important to cite a source which speak only about one section of the Subotica article, but I could cite those sources as well in the future. By the way, I have one question for you: why you are so interested in this Subotica article? Do you have some personal connections with this city or something like that or you just like the article? PANONIAN (talk) 15:06, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

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Meetup/Seattle3

I notice in all the pictures that Jmabel seems to be doing all the talking. ;-) ---Bloblaw 10:24, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

• That's because they were all three taken in about 60 seconds while I was talking. -- Jmabel | Talk 13:48, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

West Bank

Hi Joe, I liked your edit to this article. I've expanded it a bit more to mention, inter alia, that it's in the Middle East and part of the Palestinian Territories. You might like to have a look at my changes. I am rather afraid I will get jumped on!

Incidentally, I have rooted out a quote about the SSNP and fascism, which will no doubt provide party apologists with plenty of fun. Palmiro | Talk 11:49, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Ethnic clashes of Targu Mures

Hi Joe, there is a debate on this article, could you have a look at the history and the talk page and give you opinion? Despite its contentious nature, this page was left in peace for quite some time, but now a nasty trench warfare is evolving (with some nationalistic overtones), and the quality of the article is dropping rapidly. Given the widely divergent interpretations of the events in 1990, this comes as no surprise, but it's still quite disappointing. --Tamas 17:24, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Dead entertainers

Hi, in the light of this, you might be interested in this. Mark¹ 11:04, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Dumbfounded (Spanish cuisine)

Good one. That sentence had me completely stumped. | Klaw ¡digame! 14:56, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

VfD: Jews and non-Jews

Hello Joe: Please see and VOTE at two important Vote/s for Deletion (VfD): at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Contemporary persecution of non-Jews by Jews and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ancient persecution of non-Jews by Jews. Best wishes and Shabbat Shalom! IZAK 06:51, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Surprised

Hi Joe. I just stumbled upon this request for Bonaparte's unblocking here and I saw the list of his main contributions to Wikipedia. I said, hmm, let's see what he could be proud of, and checked a few. Well, I must say I was pretty surprised to see things I didn't think he could ever write. I mean good stuff. What strikes me is that in those articles (I checked specifically his contribution alone) his English is a lot better than in the discussion pages and he is very articulate in a number of very different fields (linguistics, zoology, education, etc.). This is enough for me to realize that he could not have written those articles himself, but on the other hand I was unable to google out even one sentence from those articles. Do you have any idea what could be going on? In some articles he gives books as references, so it could be that he just typed passages from those books. Still, I am surprised to see this side of Bonaparte. Do you know more? — AdiJapan ☎ 18:32, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

 :es:Ignacio Zuloaga xlation/incorporation into en:I.Z. done

Hi. Per recommended practices, this is just an FYI that your request for the es:I.Z. xlation into English has been incorporated into the en:I.Z. article. Feedback is welcome. -thanks, -Onceler 11:50, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

SSNP

Joe, do you think you might have time to do a bit of a copyedit to this? While I've added a good bit of information I'm not sure how well it hangs together textually, but I don't feel particularly up to copyediting it myself, as it can be tricky to do this with stuff you have written yourself. Regards, Palmiro | Talk 21:07, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind comment! I quite understand your position, being pretty heavily committed workwise as well, and I'm glad you think it's OK as it stands. Palmiro | Talk 21:14, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

RFC links

Left a reply on my talk page. – Doug Bell ^{talk•contrib} 00:28, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Spanish Translation of the Week

Manele

Hi. The article on manele refers to the music in the entire Southeastern European region, so I think the naşpa insertion is not particularly appropriate, since it's a Romanian word. Naşpa is the short form of naşparliu, which, in its original meaning, means something akin to witty (it's similar to "golănaş", and isn't used as an insult). At least that's how it's used in Transylvania. AFAIK, its new usage in Bucharest is slightly different - naşparliu is sometimes used as a synonym for those who try to be "cool" or "trendy". The "naşpa" character may be characterised by poor taste and manners (prost gust), self-centredness, an inconsiderate nature (nesimţire), and a like of manele, which has a poor reputation. It's used to refer to those, often from low-education backgrounds, who want to appear as trendy and "up there" but do so in poor taste. The term is often - quite unjustly - likened to Roma urban culture sometimes. So, the addition has some grounding, since naşpa is used in some contexts as a negative term. The article should probably explain the situation more clearly, however. Thanks, Ronline ✉ 00:07, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

The usage with the negative connotation sounds very much like the american slang "poser" (which does not seem to have an article though its mentioned in several skateboarding artciles, where it originated). Just curious as new vocabulary is always fun, and just seeing if I understood the connotation. Dalf | Talk 02:27, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Somewhat, though a "poser" is more likely to be a downwardly mobile spoiled rich kid than an overreaching underclass striver. -- Jmabel | Talk 04:26, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

True especially in the more common usage of poser, though I have seen it used as a more equal opportunity insult recently. Either way I can't see myself using naşpa in any coversation in the short term. Dalf | Talk 05:24, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

The Feminists

Thanks for your work on The Feminists, but it probably isn't the best choice to add an expansion request for to the Systematic Bias template. There just isn't more stuff on Google about them - I looked fairly extensively. The article is incomplete, but without off-web research, it's going to stay that way. I suspect there are more productive articles to expand to add to the CSB template. GRuban 16:51, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Do I understand you to be saying that CSB should only look into topics that are already well-covered on the Web? As one of the people who started CSB, I can say without qualification that one of the main goals of the project was to improve coverage in areas that are not well-covered on the web. That is precisely one of Wikipedia's systemic biases: if something is not already on the Web someplace, it tends to slip through our cracks. -- Jmabel | Talk 01:30, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

(suitably humbled and abashed) Well, um, no, your excellency, sir. This unworthy one was merely daring to suggest that other articles that are at least somewhat more covered on the Web might be more productive, in the sense that if we added them to the template, they would actually get expanded, while The Feminists, no matter how worthy, would quite possibly stay more or less the size it was until Ti-Grace Atkinson joined the Eagle Forum. But please forgive my presumption as youthful inexperience, your plenipotentiaryness, and I shall not speak of it again. Jmabel is always right. I will work harder. (pounds head on floor repeatedly, and backs away on his knees) GRuban 13:48, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm not going to ask you to apologize for the tone of that, but I am going to say that if you continue to address me in that tone, expect to make an enemy. I don't know about you, but probably a third of what I do is from print, and I doubt that I'm the only Wikipedian who still knows how to read a book. If you want to remove that particular request of mine from the template, fine. But if you want to argue that Wikipedia can become a first-rate general reference while writing only on topics that are already well-covered online, I think you are dead wrong. -- Jmabel | Talk 16:52, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. No, I don't want to argue for that, I'm just in favor of going for the "low hanging fruit" first. GRuban 17:26, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Great(er) Romania

Dear Jmabel, I'm surprised by your remark that "Great Romania always stuck in my craw as unlikely English". Does it also happen with "Great Britain"? I believe not, and I feel somehow discriminated. FYI, "Romania Mare" is not a term coined after 1944, but in the period Romania was infdeed great. At the time, it conveyed the same greatness idea as "Great Britain" does. And the country name is used today as a historic reference.

Let's now take a look at the "Greater Romania" party, where you voted for a name change (actually, the vote took place on the "Vadim Tudor" page, a page that I don't really follow). It seems to me that there are some problems with this vote, given that its subject was the change of the official name of a party. There must be some wikipedia rule against changing official names and their official translations.

Can you please comment?Dpotop 11:10, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

I believe it's the second time you explain the English-language point of view to me. Thanks (sincerely). It appears that English has no exact translation of the term, unless the "Grand" version applies. I added some more comments to the "Vadim Tudor" page, where I argue why I believe that "Greater Romania" is not ok for either the historical entity, nor the party. I don't care much for the party (it's wikipedia that suffers in this way), but I still don't agree with the translation of the name of the political entity. Maybe "Big Romania" works. :) Dpotop 17:19, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Systemic bias

It's my fault. I pushed both Cyberpunk and Three Laws of Robotics to FA status. (Did You Know that Isaac Asimov has three Featured Articles—himself, the Three Laws and the Foundation Series?) On the plus side, I used printed references for both, so at least Wikipedia's coverage of technocentric nerdy topics isn't just rehashing the rest of the Web. And I tried to make up for it, even a little, with omnipotence paradox, the article which on odd days convinces me the wiki process doesn't work.

I second your choice of favourite books and movies, particularly the Pynchon, Nabokov and Keaton. Anville 19:49, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Jello Biafra

Hi Jmabel. I was wondering if you'd like to take part in the voting process for Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Jello Biafra. As I know that you have a good knowledge of such subject matter, you're opinion would be very useful. Thanks in advance. -- LGagnon 01:59, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

DYK

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Bible verses and chapters on Wikipedia

Hi Joe: Shavua Tov ! It is important that you see the following proposed Wikipedia policy pages and their discussion pages at Wikipedia:Centralized discussion/Verses of 1 Kings 4 and 5 AND Wikipedia:Centralized discussion/Whole bible chapter text. Thanks for giving this matter your serious attention before discussion is closed and the "policy" is set. IZAK 09:28, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Follow up: Bug report

I am attempting to organise WP:BUG. You filed bug reports concerning a disappearing left navigation bar and an overly wide edit box. May I ask, do the problems persist? -- Ec5618 13:32, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

To the best of my knowledge, fixed, but I've changed so much about my computer since that time (browser, screen resolution) that I wouldn't know. -- Jmabel | Talk 18:35, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. So you're saying it was a problem with your setup somehow. Good to know. -- Ec5618 19:03, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Wikipediology Elections

Voting for the positon of Regent Ñ will begin on February 5th at the voting page. All candidates should list themselves there before then. Please take the time to vote, and become more active in the Wikipediology Institute. Thanks - Pureblade | ^Θ 04:38, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

redesigned template.

Please review Template talk:Jewish language#redesign. Thanks for your time. Tomer^talk 17:47, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

For some reason "Hebrew" and "Judeo-Persian" are hanging out further left than the rest of the text. I haven't futzed around w/ the markup enough to figure out why. Any input would be appreciated. Tomer^talk 19:22, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

GermanGov tag

Hi there, you recently uploaded an image under the {{GermanGov}} licence. This tag is invalid, and all images so tagged are now at Wikipedia:Possibly_unfree_images#All_images_in_Category:German_government_images. Please re-tag as appropiate. Pilatus 03:49, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Machine translations

Indeed, I asked my question about what to do with these beasts in two places. I would love to nominate Babelfished articles (e.g. all the German stuff in Category:Rough translations) for deletion, but I fear that the result will be that some helpful soul will try to clean up the Babelfish mess and then nobody at AfD will want to let that editor's work go to waste, and a real retranslation will still be necessary (and time and effort will have been wasted). I don't think an article such as [3] would be deleted, because the topic is so clearly notable. I would like to see something like a global policy "Never use machine translation and delete anything that looks like it on sight" but am not sure how to actually achieve that as a policy. So for now, if I manage to turn two or three of these monsters into short stubs that are in remotely decent English (I am not a native speaker), I think the end result is better than trying to delete, but I would like to be proved wrong. Happy editing, Kusma (討論) 05:09, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Guernica

You added {{wikify}} to Guernica (painting). Doesn't look unwikified to me. What's the problem? - Jmabel | Talk 05:08, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

User:Sibahi added the wikify tag last week. It looks plenty wikified to me. >>sparkit|TALK<< 05:16, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

& other things

P.S. I see you are here in the Emerald City, too!

Yes. But I don't think we've met. You haven't been at any of the meetups, have you? (I live in Wedgwood and currently am working downtown.) - Jmabel | Talk 05:26, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

We've not met. I haven't been to a meetup, but I'll keep an eye out for the next one. I live near Northgate and tomorrow I finish a contract job downtown. >>sparkit|TALK<< 05:37, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

We just had one 2 weeks ago (Wikipedia:Meetup/Seattle3); you might want to watchlist Wikipedia:Meetup/Seattle4 for when we start to plan the next one.

I see you work on a lot on art topics. Do I have any hope of recruiting you to flesh out the article on Jacob Lawrence and maybe even start one on Gwendolyn Knight? They've long been on my list, but I've never gotten to them. -- Jmabel | Talk 05:44, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

It might be awhile, but I'll see what I can do. >>sparkit|TALK<< 00:41, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Kronstadt Rebellion

You state that my editing of the page was 'vandalism' - I am willing to accept that, in the sense that it was a deliberate provocation. I was trying to draw attention to the fact that 'Max Rspct' constantly reverses any posts that do not fit with his Anarchist POV. Now obviously I have an axe to grind here, in that I am a Trotskyist, so I am pretty much bound to be opposed to his POV. But until this edit, I had not deleted his POV at all, only made minor edits where he has posted something that was unsubstantiated. However, whenever I. or anyone else, post anything giving a balance to the article, he deletes it. No discussion, no balance, just deleted. This is not right, and it is precisely why I deleted the page as I did.

In fact, my edit summary was not incorrect, the page that I left was no less unbalanced and POV than the one I deleted.

You need to 'have a word' with Max Rspct and keep an eye on his constant reversals of other people's additions to the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Trotboy (talk • contribs) 31 Jan 2006