Talk:Jinsafut

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[edit] ARIJ and LRC reliability

I know these organizations are obviously pro-Palestinian, but I don't think their reliability is questionable in the case of the "Economy" section's content, especially the second passage which contains no controversy whatsoever. The first passage might attract disputes because of the "Since the beginning of the Second Intifada, vehicle movement in Jinsafut has been constricted by Israel, contributing to 93% of the working population being unemployed" segment. The figure is very high and I'm not totally sure if that would've been the case in 2004 when the article was published. Jinsafut does appear to be choked a bit by Israeli settlements - see town location here.[1] In any case, I am willing to change the last segment to "However, since the Second Intifada unemployment rates have grown considerably due to Israeli closures outside the town." --Al Ameer son (talk) 22:18, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

The issue about the organizations being pro-Palestinian is less relevant than the quality of the sources (actually, lack of any) of the work published on the websites. I would tend to let 'bland' geographical information pass, but when it comes to statistics about land being confiscated, attributing unemployment rates to Israeli action rather than other factors such as municipal corruption. Also, I don't know how it's possible to report accurately about road closures. At the height of the violence, there were road closures and hundreds of checkpoints all over, but the situation has since changed drastically to allow much freedom of movement for Arabs. Frankly, I like to leave the geograpical articles as controversy free as possible unless their are multiple sources and notable issues to record. --Shuki (talk) 22:49, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Actually this is odd, I checked the LRC article and you're right on this one about the lack of sources used by the LRC. Usually ARIJ cites other sources such as the UNRWA, the mayor of a town or the municipal council. Most of these POICA articles are dominated by ARIJ (which is certainly more reliable than the LRC because of the use of citations), but there are also LRC manufactured articles which tend to lack credibility. For example the joint ARIJ and LRC source used in this article somewhat contradicts what the sole LRC source says. The ARIJ one says About 78% of the population used to depend on working in Israel and in the agricultural sector. After the construction of the Segregation Wall, a large percentage of the population became unemployed. I believe that the land use figures are factual (not very likely to be challenged) so I request that the tag for that passage be removed. The tag for the first passage is understandable; I'll try to find another source (unlikely there will be one). Until then the tag should remain. Do you oppose me taking the tag for the second passage though? --Al Ameer son (talk) 23:17, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for not noticing earlier. The tag on the second claim is equal to the first with regard to this claim - "8% was confiscated". If the political claim is removed, then I wouldn't challenge the geographical claims. --Shuki (talk) 22:17, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Done, until a reliable source is found. --Al Ameer son (talk) 22:37, 29 May 2008 (UTC)