Talk:Jimmy Urine

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Articles for deletion This article was nominated for deletion on 19 February 2007. The result of the discussion was keep.

I think this page should be kept, there is no sense in deleting information, just perhaps put a disclaimer that the information may be biased. Jack Malice 19:18, 28 February 2007 (UTC)


Lets keep it, i agree there is no point in deleting it. It just needs to be cleaned up and added; somebody with more info and less bias needs to get on this. Davus 03:16, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Please voice your opinion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Little Jimmy Urine, preferably citing Wikipedia policies in order to convince others. -Pomte 14:08, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Chantal Claret, lead singer for Morningwood

From the offical morningwood myspace page, here is the most recent blog, it won't let me post the direct link, it is an official statement http://www.myspace.com/morningwood http://www.myspace.com/chantal_claret

  • Hey, maybe you should read WP:VER to learn what are acceptable sources.Gravee 01:04, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Please show a reputable source regarding this rumor that he is either married/engaged to this person. To continue to add this without discussion and concensus first will be considered vandalism. Graveenib 17:21, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Below is a conversation between ZachPG and SignOfTheTimes on their respective talk pages regarding this subject.

Please justify your removal of the {{Fact}} tag on Little Jimmy Urine. ZachPG 01:51, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

I represent the parties this article is about and was asked to add the information by said parties therefore verifying it, no citation being needed.
On the contrary. Wikipedia's policies clearly state here that a citation is needed regardless of whatever exemptions you believe you are entitled to, not to mention that nobody is really going to be truly inclined to believe you represent James Euringer based solely on your word. You'll need to be backing that up, too. In the meantime, I'm restoring the tag. ZachPG 22:16, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
This is INFACT that party, so I don't know how else to prove it, many other things mentioned in the article are unprovable, but they remain to be uncited. This is infact as much fact as me wearing a jacket or what not. Look at any recent picture it says engaged on the knuckles and look at the belt it says "Chantal" that is good enough proof.
Further policy for you to consider more specific to this situation can be found here. Reasonable doubt that the content was provided by the subject exists, and the content cannot be regarded as fact until that doubt is removed. ZachPG 22:18, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
This is INFACT that party, so I don't know how else to prove it, many other things mentioned in the article are unprovable, but they remain to be uncited. This is infact as much fact as me wearing a jacket or what not. Look at any recent picture it says engaged on the knuckles and look at the belt it says "Chantal" that is good enough proof.

http://morningwood.forumsunlimited.com/index.php?showtopic=2796 and http://mindlessselfindulgence.com/board/index.php?topic=22461.0 and http://mindless-self-indulgence.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=520

those are all confirmed from us, both the parties represented. how about you write an email to the james euringer email account located on the msi page and the morningwood band email address and when they are both confirmed it will be enough for you to stop harrassing the page? Thanks.

You still fail to establish yourself as a representative of either party. Whether or not any of those pages are usable as legitimate citations is beyond me, but it's up to the editor to present proof of his or her content, not the users. It's not up to me as a reader or anybody to write e-mails to people and come asking for links to citations. You should find somebody more experienced and find out if those are legitimate sources and add them to the page. Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages with four "~"'s. ZachPG 03:17, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
Call MSI's management and they will confirm, there is no PRESS article to state this as fact as of yet, as MSI are not doing press at the moment, or do what I suggested.

Whatever YOU need to do to get in touch witht he band for comfirmation you do, because it is as much fact as anything else listed in the profile. Or go ahead and listen to it being stated by both parties here http://eastvillageradio.com/modules.php?name=evrshow&showid=35, that is 10000% proof for ya. enjoy.

In that case, you need to add it as a citation. Like I said before, it doesn't fall on the user to provide proof, it falls on the editor. ZachPG 18:39, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Graveenib 17:39, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Please note: The responsibility is yours to CITE...YOUR...REPUTABLE...SOURCES. Just saying that you speak for both parties isn't enough, (and if you do, then you present a conflict of interest on these pages). If you do speak for them, then send a press release to CNN or Rolling Stone and then post it with the reputable source cited. I'm sorry, but forum posts from one person (likely you) and bloggy audio clips aren't reputable sources and your edits will be removed per WP:VERIFY and WP:BLP.Gravee 18:08, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

SignOfTheTimes, this has been going on for too long over something really simple. Your edit is in violation of WP:CITE, and if you believe that your sources are truly credible, it falls on you to write the citation. If you don't know how, WP:CITE explains it. If you need further help on how to properly write a citation, feel free to ask for it. You have to understand that the only person the community is going to see as harrassing or vandalizing a page is the one who consistently adds uncited material in what's turning into a small and drawn out edit war. For the moment, I'm going to leave it there with a {{Fact}} tag. If you don't remove the statement or put a citation in within a week, I'm removing the statement altogether, and if you continue to make edits to this or any other page without consulting and conforming to Wikipedia's policies, I'm going to ask an admin for assistance, because your constant refusal to play by the rules is highly counterproductive here. ZachPG 13:29, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
  • BTW, All I'm asking is for the source to be cited. Use <ref> tags so that it is properly cited. For information on this, see WP:CITET. It would also help if the specific audio file where they discuss this pointed out, as well as how long into it, as there are about 10 hours of audio on the page mentioned by SignOfTheTimes on the talk pages. Thanks. Gravee 17:17, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Here's what I'll do for you. Tonight I will listen to all 10 hours of audio (which I do believe to be legit) and when I find it, I will write a citation for it FOR YOU since you are obviously too lazy to do so yourself. I will bow to the whim of the vandal and do the research and citing for him/her. Again, it's not that I don't believe it, it just needs to be CITED. Cite cite cite. If we didn't have to worry about citing sources, the Chuck Norris page would be filled with "Chuck Norris Facts." I'm a huge fan of MSI and that's why I want to IMPROVE this page. I was against deletion in the first place, and it was nominated due to UNCITED information. If James really cares that this information stay, then he'll concede to having the information CITED so that his wikipedia page is not nom'd for deletion again. Gravee 17:56, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
  • This has been properly cited, and I take this for fact. Gravee 03:05, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Unsourced material and OR

Reminder that any text here needs to be sourced well by reliable sources as this is a living person. Original research is not appropriate. --Neon white 05:21, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Referenced in Gorillaz?

I just realized that there is a character in the Gorillaz fake backstories by the name of Little Jimmy Manson. Seeing as how Jamie Hewlett did album art for FGWSSS, it's not a far leap to assume this is a reference to Urine (and possibly Marilyn Manson). I don't want to add it until I can come up with a source, but haven't had any luck. Anyone else who can find anything on it, good luck! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.178.107.133 (talk) 12:05, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Jimmy Urine.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 23:42, 22 December 2007 (UTC)