Talk:Jimmy Marks
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[edit] Curse
Does anyone know if Marks lifted the curse he placed on Spokane now that the case is settled? cda 03:27, 1 October 2005 (UTC)
- He never put a curse on Spokane in the first place. All that happened was that some racist or misinformed journalists/reporters thought there was a possibility that he did so. Romanies do not make hexes any more than any other ethnic group. Except maybe as a joke to make fun of non-Romanies who still think they do! --Kuaichik 01:30, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Vlax and Vlachs
As a Romanian, I can tell you that "Vlax" do not exist. On the other hand, while Vlachs exist, they (we, I should say) are not Gypsies. I wouldn't resent it if I were, unlike many of my compatriots, but this is pure fact. In fact, I'm surprised that anybody would have referred to Romanians as Vlachs as late as 1985. It sounds medieval.Dahn 00:19, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
- From a review [1] of the documentary I cited in the article -
- Dellal's relatively narrow focus is the Marks family of Spokane, WA, descendants of the Vlax tribe who were enslaved for many generations in Romania. Unlike most Rom, who flatly refuse to speak to gadje (outsiders), the garrulous Jimmy Marks opened his heart and home to Dellal...
- So that makes me think that he is described as Vlax in the documentary. I haven't seen the documentary, but from other writing describing the documentary I just assumed that he describes himself as Vlax - it all sounds like he gave them that wording that he would allow them to describe him like that. My point is that I wrote "Vlax" because I thought that was what he called himself. And I always like to stick with what people call themselves irregardless of what other people call them no matter how old-fashioned it sounds (have you ever been to Spokane?!). Someone should just call him and set this straight. But thanks for the contribution to this article, Dahn, I really appreciate it. --cda 15:32, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
- Dahn, Could it be that Jimmy Marks is a Romanian Vlachs and he has allowed people in Spokane to also identify him as Gypsy? I think the Marks family has identified themselves as "Gypsy" for over 30 years, at least. Another thing you should know is not many people of any race in this area know very much about their genealogy. I assume that Jimmy Marks has considered himself Gypsy all his life and has only recently discovered his Vlachs genealogy, probably through research done for the documentary. But again, someone should call him and verify that. Part of this confusion is understanding Spokane culture and how most people here really don't care so much about their ethnic heritage like I assume they do in the rest of the world. --cda 15:32, 25 December 2005 (UTC)
- Please do not trouble Mr. Marks. The answer to this question is quite simple, really. "Vlax" is a term generally used by Romani scholars (not usually Romanies themselves) to refer to the Vlax Romani language and its speakers. This is because it is the Vlax Roma (speakers of Vlax Romani) who were enslaved in Wallachia (and other parts of Romania, I think) while other groups had left Romania, forming the Balkan and Northern branches of the Romani people and language. Usually, this term is used to refer specifically to the most commonly spoken dialect (Vlax) and to distinguish it from the other two varieties of Romani. --Kuaichik 01:38, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
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