Talk:Jimmy Hoffa
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Details of the Ice Man book are now available and should be added to the article. Carlo, Philip. The Ice Man: Confessions of a Mafia Contract Killer. St. Martin's Press (July 1, 2006) ISBN 0312349289
Here is Lynda Milito's book, which should also be added to the references. Milito, Lynda and Reg Potterton. Mafia Wife : My Story of Love, Murder, and Madness. HarperCollins. 1st ed (May 13, 2003)ISBN: 0066212618
'A number of Republicans such as FBI director J. Edgar Hoover are believed to have helped Hoffa.
One group he definitely had close ties to was the Republican party. Presidents Kennedy and Johnson both put pressure on Hoffa, attempting to investigate his activities and disrupt his ever-growing union. The Kennedys especially were sure that Hoffa had pocketed a great deal of union money. The AFL-CIO also disliked Hoffa and aided the Democrats against him. A number of Republicans such as FBI director J. Edgar Hoover are believed to have helped Hoffa.
- 1.Was Hoover a Republican?
- 2.Also I didn't think the Republicans were supposed to be friends to the unions?I know Robert Kennedy had investigate Hoffa in 1950s, and was no friend of his, but that doesn't automatically mean Hoffa and the Republicans were tight either.
- 3.Nixon (a Republican) pardoned Hoffa. Ford (a Republican) pardoned Dave Beck, Hoffa's predecessor.
- Throughout the 1960s & 1970s, the Teamsters were remarkable as being practically the only union that supported the Republican party. I assume they had closer links to the moderate/liberal wing of the time: e.g. Rockefeller, Nixon. -- llywrch 18:33, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)
"Twenty-six years later in March 2001, a DNA match was made between Hoffa and hair found in the back of a police car suspected, but could not prove, was involved in his disappearance.
Last year, a biography of Teamsters official Frank Sheeran, who died in 2003, says Sheeran claimed responsibility." [1]
maybe good to know - mythbusters actually searched the giants stadium with no luck, so i guess thats a place where he isnt at anyway..
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[edit] Picture?
This needs a picture. Anyone know where we can find one? -RomeW 10:54, 10 March 2006 (UTC) Try this. I don't seem to know how to paste the photo onto this page.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/famous/jimmy_hoffa/1.html
[edit] Locked
Someone vandalized the page. Someone else reverted it. Then SlimVirgin reverted to the vandalized version. Then went in, fixed the vandalism and protected the page. Can we get this thing unprotected, please? It seems pretty bizarre to protect something due to vandalism when you're the one vandalizing it. 204.69.40.7 19:50, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Locals and Grammar
Changes by Theshibboleth affect not grammar, but meaning here.
- In industries such as garment delivery, organized crime took over locals, then used their power to strike to bring an entire industry either under the Mafia's control or at least vulnerable to blackmail.
Means something different than
- In industries such as garment delivery, organized crime took over. Locals then used their power to strike to bring an entire industry either under the Mafia's control or at least vulnerable to blackmail.
-Ogdred 03:16, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
You're right Ogdred, it definately means something different. Can the actual meaning be used? We can not keep having these grammer errors! TammiMagee 11:34, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Disappeared, not died
The infobox on this page says "Died: 30 July, 1975 (disappeared)". That's misleading; he disappeared and is not known to have died, on that day or any other. The infobox should say "Disappeared: 30 July, 1975". But I don't know how to modify the template to accept a "disappeared" field. - Brian Kendig 23:38, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Jon Stewart said he might be in Lake Michigan last night. - —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.13.86.24 (talk • contribs)
[edit] Birthplace
The birthplace of Jimmy Hoffa is given in the sidetab as Brazil, Indiana, but then the writings about him begin with him being born in Queens, New York. Which one is true?
I don't know, let's check Wikipedia. Oh, wait... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Philosopher2king (talk • contribs) 00:50, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] By:Wikipedia.com?
What does the "By:Wikipedia.com" in section title "Biography By:Wikipedia.com" mean?
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.208.60.199 (talk) 14:29, 5 December 2006 (UTC).
[edit] LATEST INFORMATION DELETED???
Why was the newsest information updated on 12-04-06 deleted? The information on that site was part of the on going investigation that Charles Brandt has been involved with for the past 6 months.
Isn't it wikipedia.org anyway? 85.18.108.94 09:32, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Bias
"..he was released when Republican President Richard Nixon..."
I'm tired of the left leaning bias rampant in Wikipedia articles.
What is the purpose of stating the Presidents party affiliation?
Would you write Democratic President Jimmy Carter?
If someone wanted to know if he was a Republican, Democrat, or a Bull-Moose, they would navigate to the entry on Nixon. Either way the correct title for the Commander and Chief of the United States of America is 'President ' followed by the name of said President. EX. President Richard Nixon, President Jimmy Carter
The leftwing slant jumps out later in the same sentence..
"..President Richard Nixon commuted his sentence to time served..(allegations exist that an illegal $300,000 payment made this possible)."
First, is there any proof of these "allegations?" Where's the citation for this slanderous filth? That statement would not appear in any legitimate (nonpartisan) encyclopedia without one.
This is of course why the President was introduced as "Republican President Richard Nixon," to imply that all Republicans are represented by the acts of a single member of the party. Of course, the reader would have no way of knowing if the statement had any validity or if the author was the one making the allegations since the statement is not cited. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Salzano1 (talk • contribs).
- This left wing encyclopedia allows anyone to edit any article, in most cases. I've edited those two items as I agree that it was weirdly stated and unreferenced. In the future, feel free to edit such items yourself to maintain neutral tone. Syrthiss 18:08, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
I don't think noting his part affiliation shows any kind of liberal bias, since a few paragraphs earlier, it is said that " the AFL-CIO also disliked Hoffa and aided the Democrats in their investigations." In that instance, the entry was talking about the Kennedy Administration, not all Democrats.
Don't care either way, but I do care that it's uniform.
Also, there doesn't need to be proof of "allegations." By definition, alegations don't aren't based on proof: "an assertion made with little or no proof," according to dictionary.com.
[edit] Trivia Section
This article just plain sucks. I like hip-hop and video games too, but Wikipedia is not a collection of random trivia. There is no relevant information in the 'Hoffa in Pop Culture' section; I'm going to delete the whole section tomorrow if no one gives me an explanation of why I shouldn't.
- 1) The least you can do is sign your comments with name and date, if you want people to take you seriously.
- 2) Jimmy Hoffa has obviously become an iconic figure in American popular culture, clearly witnessed by the extensive list of examples. Although I agree the list might be a little bit too extensive, I definitely think it serves a clear purpose. --Michael riber jorgensen 16:17, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Did they find him? Newly added information removed
I recently saw on his page some information that stated that in Feb of 2007 his body was found in a concrete slab behind the home of Ruben Gutierrez in Miami, FL. You can see this if you look at the history of this page and look at three changes made by someone with the ip 68.103.86.57 on March 23, the first one mentions this, the second does not but then his third edit does it again but after that someone else comes in and takes it away again.
Does anybody know anything about this? Is it true? I've searched the net for any news regarding this but I haven't found any sources yet that confirms it.
No, it's not true. All information gathered from the Frank Sheeran account has pointed directly to cremation being the means of disposing of Hoffa's body. He was killed in Detroit, and disposed of only 2 minutes from the house where he was murdered, in a cremation oven at a cemetery.
- Proof? Michael riber jorgensen 22:15, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
: Answer, It's still being investigated by Charles Brandt and his associate in Detroit.
EDITED : According to recent publications and expert testimony (Charles Brandt), it is believed that Jimmy Hoffa's body was cremated in a Mafia-owned funeral home. (This line was edited because the information Charlie Brandt gave to KLAS TV was regarding a cemetery with cremation ovens, not a funeral home. The Funeral home assisted by possibly giving the paperwork needed for cremation.)--Spectre7277 22:46, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] non neutral POV
"This was of great concern to the United States bourgeoisie as a strike involving all transport systems would be devastating for the national economy.
For all the benefits that Hoffa and some Teamsters delivered for over-the-road drivers, other Teamsters locals did little more than sign sweetheart deals that made union officers rich and left workers poor."
These sentences seem to have a clear, but easily fixed, communist slant to them, the first in particular, which speaks of bourgeoisie fears caused by worker organization. It might help to rephrase as :
"This was a potential source of disaster as a strike involving all transport systems would be devastating for the national economy.
For all the benefits that Hoffa and some Teamsters delivered for over-the-road drivers, other Teamsters locals did little more than sign sweetheart deals that made union officers rich and left the rank and file poor." Mercmisfire 04:40, 17 April 2007 (UTC) o please, get a life. who are you - mccarthy junior? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.41.152.114 (talk) 12:47, August 29, 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Ethnicity
Does anyone know his ethnicity? East European I believe. John celona 13:14, 24 May 2007 (UTC) The name Hoffa itself is of English origin: http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp.fc/qx/hoffa-family-crest.htm Name in itself, however, does not determine actual ethnicity. User: Lon Wood 11:01 13 June 2007
- I looked on ancestry.com and Hoffa's line goes back to Pennsylvania with names like Jacob and Johannes. Obviously German, although I couldn't find the immigrant ancestor. Maybe someone else who has time can dig a little deeper. Also, it's unclear who all intermarried with the German Hoffas in Jimmy's family tree. I didn't have time to trace all that. But the family's origin is clearly German. St. Jimmy 18:13, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
This is easy, since he actually told it under oath!
Testimony in front of the Hoffman Committee (followed the Kefauver Committee):
Mr. Hoffman: Don't talk so much. ... Just one question. In view of the statement that was mad by another witness, are you an Italian?
Mr. Hoffa: I am not. I am Irish and Dutch.
Mr. Hoffman: All right.
Mr. Hoffa: You don't want the truth. You would rather have it look like a syndicate.
Mr. Hoffman: Don't worry.
Mr. Hoffa: I don't worry.
(Arthur A. Sloane, "Hoffa," MIT Press paperback edition, 1992, p. 44)
From Sloane, p.3: "Hoffa's father, John Cleveland Hoffa, was a coal driller of Pennsylvania Dutch lineage..." who married "a quiet, attractive eighteen-year-old Irish-American neighbor, Viola 'Ola' Riddle." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Doprendek (talk • contribs) 05:45, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Removed bit of vandalism
This bit of vandalism appeared in the first paragraph: "Hoffa moved to Lake Orion, Michigan to play baseball as a New York Yankee. He developed a reputation as a tough street fighter who always stayed late after practice. Hoffa soon got the coach's daughter pregnant and was fired from his baseball job but later hired as a union organizer for Local 299 of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters (IBT). "
I'm new here. Where do I report this? Or just change it and otherwise ignore?Doprendek (talk) 05:18, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
I have put the article back to its pre vandalism state. Spectre7277
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