Talk:Jim Shooter

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Contents 1 Valiant (NPOV? Sources?) 2 POV? 3 Fair use rationale for Image:Harbinger beginning cover.jpg 4 Fair use rationale for Image:Harbinger 01-00.jpg

[edit] Valiant (NPOV? Sources?)

These two sections in particular:

At Valiant Jim produced the best work of his career. He brought many of Marvel's big name creators with him (Bob Layton, Barry Windsor-Smith) and together they changed the face of comics.

The Valiant characters are often called the most important of those created after the Marvel revolution in the 1960s (when Spider-Man, X-Men, Fantastic Four, among others were created).

Changed the face of comics? How? Who says that? "Often called the most important"? Again: called by who? If it's often, surely there must be sources to back up this claim. (Same goes for the "best work of his career" section. "Best" is subjective. Who says that it's the best work of his career?)

In my opinion, the section reads like a press release, and not an objective, NPOV summary of his career at Valiant. -- g026r 17:46, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

I completely agree. The article reads like something Shooter would have written himself. In addition to the portions you quote, this section is also oozing POV: "One might assume that his revitalization of a dying company might have conciliated the bruised egos of some creators. Or, for that matter, that his having instituted royalty payments and bonuses when original characters were licensed to be toys (making top comic artists wealthy) might have elicited some sense of gratitude, but one would assume wrongly." i.e. Mean old unappreciative employees not appreciating their boss's obvious greatness. That is far from neutral language.

I revised the section pertaining to Valiant---Jackel 18:26, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] POV?

Shooter was made editor-in-chief over more established personnel at Marvel, and, during his tenure, certain long-time key staff defected to DC.

Is there any proof that this was connected to Shooter directly? It's always easy to cite the editor-in-chief rather than the pay in interviews with fans who want to know why you've left.

Shooter was, however, responsible for seriously angering staff and fans alike with his declaration that there were no gay characters in the Marvel Universe (see Northstar).

When did he make this declaration? And was it Shooter's own decision or another case of him being the one everyone blamed for corporate deisions?

Shooter angered and alienated a number of creators by insisting on strong editorial control and strict adherence to deadlines.

Or "...by ensuring the books were produced on time and to a standard, as is the job of an editor in chief"? How exactly is this significant? ( The statement is significant because it implies that some of those 'angered and alienated' creators were, in both their work behavior and their negative reactions to Shooter, being unprofessional and illogical through blaming Shooter for simply doing the job he was paid to do. )

Shooter's opposition to dropping the Comics Code cast Marvel as a conservative force in the industry.

Again was this Shooter himself or a corporate decision?

Timrollpickering 09:39, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

I rewrote much of the article tonight in order to provide it with a NPOV. Being an admirer of Jim Shooter's tenure as editor-in-chief at Marvel Comics, I felt that it would be best if someone like me were the one to provide this article at least some semblance of neutrality. I have to say, this might have been the most poorly written article on wikipedia. Feel free to let me know if there are any issues with my rewrite.Shabeki (talk) 09:39, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

This is about tag cleanup. As all of the tags are more than a year old, there is no current discussion relating to them, and there is a great deal of editing done since the tags were placed, or in some cases it's clear there is a consensus, they will be removed. This is not a judgement of content. If there is cause to re-tag, then that of course may be done, with the necessary posting of a discussion as to why, and what improvements could be made. Better yet, edit the article yourself with the improvements in place. This is only an effort to clean out old tags, and permit them to be updated with current issues if warranted.Jjdon (talk) 00:15, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Harbinger beginning cover.jpg

Image:Harbinger beginning cover.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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BetacommandBot 08:05, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Harbinger 01-00.jpg

Image:Harbinger 01-00.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to ensure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images lacking such an explanation can be deleted one week after being tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.

BetacommandBot (talk) 22:17, 13 February 2008 (UTC)