Talk:Jim Elliot

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[edit] Revert

Article was edited down to nothing. I reverted. Notthe9 05:02, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Outline

• Childhood/teenage years (Shadow of the Almighty)
• College
  • Call to missions (Through Gates of Splendor)
  • Relationship with Elisabeth Howard (Shadow of the Almighty)
• Ecuador
  • Initial work (Through Gates of Splendor)
  • Operation Auca (Various sources)

Are any other sources available? This shouldn't be an exceptionally long article, even when complete and FA-level. --Spangineer^es (háblame) 03:36, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mistake

How does one "read vociferously"? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 169.253.4.21 (talk • contribs).

Fixed—thanks. --Spangineer^ws (háblame) 14:42, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Picture

Why did we delete my picture? User:JazzD

Please see WP:FU. In general, only free (as in speech) images are allowed on Wikipedia. There are some cases (known as "fair use") in which an image that is not free can be used (the logo of a company on the company's article, a book cover on the book's article, etc.), but in this situation fair use is not permitted. To illustrate this article, we need someone who owns the copyright of a photograph containing Jim Elliot to release the image with a free license (such as the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike license). I've spoken with Steve Saint and Lars Gren (Elisabeth Elliot's husband) about getting these permissions, and have had no success. --Spangineer^ws (háblame) 23:17, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Elliot and Calvinism

Can anyone speak to the subject of Elliot and Calvinism? He clearly expressed thoughts in his journal that Arminianism was "heresy" - but given his background, I'm not certain that he would have identified with established Calvinism, per se. Any thoughts?Brian0324 15:42, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Plymouth Brethren?

Though he was killed while on a mission with others who were Plymouth Brethren, the article does not mention whether Elliot considered himself to be Plymouth Brethren. If he did, it would be good to mention that detail. If he did not, is the category link still appropriate? (I see that the external link provides information about Elliot on a Brethren website, but nothing tells me he was Brethren.) Thanks! 69.30.97.248 22:04, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Martyr?

This could be a debate - "is Jim Elliot a martyr of the Christian faith?" There are a several ways to look at this. By simple definition of the word martyr as "witness", he was decidedly such - as a witness in the sense of being an evangelist. Elisabeth Elliot disliked the word to describe him in her writings, fairly enough, because of the connotations that the word has - as if he was engaged in some kind of unusual or super-Christian activity that deserved special veneration, when, in fact, he was merely being obedient to the Great Commission given by Jesus, according to Elliot. However, speaking in terms of how Jim Elliot and the "Auca Martyrs" are remembered - the word is ubiquitous regardless of whether the Aucas knew that they were Christians or not. A source is not hard to find. If need be, it may be required just to end debate.Brian0324 16:05, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Clearly, the article shouldn't say "Jim Elliot was a martyr" because that's debatable. It is common, however, for people to consider him one. Finding a citation would be helpful. --Spangineer^ws (háblame) 17:04, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

If many people consider him one then shouldn't that in itself be mentioned instead of saying he is one? Captain la rose (talk) 00:20, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

The article doesn't say that he "is" one; it says that he became known as one. That much is true. Also, it's in the category of Christian martyrs, but that's more of a navigational aid, not necessarily a statement of fact. --Spangineer^ws (háblame) 03:58, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Captain la rose (talk) 02:58, 26 January 2008 (UTC)