Talk:Jiles Perry Richardson

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It has been proposed below that Jiles Perry Richardson be renamed and moved to The Big Bopper.

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The photo JilesPerryRichardson2.jpg does not appear to be genuine? It is a picture of his son J P Richardson Jr. 67.160.173.249 17:35, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

That was indeed J.P. Richardson's son, replaced image.Wurmis--19:28, 25 February 2007 (UTC)~~

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[edit] Wikilinking

Make only links relevant to the context. It is not useful to mark all possible words as hyperlinks; only mark words that are relevant to the context of the article. In particular, when editing the text for a random topic, don't link to years and dates; unless an article relies heavily on the surrounding historical context, the article for a particular year or date is relevant to very few of the articles that link to it.
Fernkes 20:45, Sep 20, 2003 (UTC)

[edit] This article needs major work

First of all, the man's name is J.P. Richardson not The Big Bopper. The article should be titled J.P. "The Big Bopper" Richardson. Nixon's nickname was "Tricky Dick", but that's not the title of his article is it? Doing it this way screws up the encyclopedia. By way of illustration, someone clicks on the category of "Plane Crash Victims" looking for Holley, Vallens and Richardson, but Richardson is alphabetized under "Big Bopper". So nobody can find him.

I agree. The article should be titled with his real name.--Dennis Fernkes 12:29, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Second, the Wikibox to the right of the introductory paragraph should be filled in. It has been that way for a long time. What's the deal here.

I believe this box contained an unsourced and unlicensed image and was removed on March 13, 2006.--Dennis Fernkes 12:29, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Third, the last paragraph in the first section says he lost 35 lbs. in 5 days during a marathon radio session. I don't think so.

This used to be a good looking article. Crisp, accurate and full of detail. But now it looks as though it has been the victim of "urban blight".--Hokeman 19:58, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Consensus vote needed by major contributors

I'm calling on the major contributors of this article to give their opinion on whether to change the name of this article from The Big Bopper to J.P. " The Big Bopper" Richardson (or some other slight modification). In accordance with Wikipedia standards, I think we should re-name the article.--Hokeman 04:39, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

You have my vote. I think it should bear his real name. So Jiles Perry Richardson is what I would like to see. I think his nickname should be in the article but not in the title. It would be too hard to search for. What would Britannica do??--Dennis Fernkes 11:53, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
I don't think that article titles for people are supposed to include both the person's real name and the person's nickname. This article's name should probably be either The Big Bopper or J.P. Richardson. Because The Big Bopper is more commonly used to refer to the artist, it should be the title of the page. Theshibboleth 00:44, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
The man's name is J.P. Richardson or Jiles Perry Richardson not The Big Bopper. Nixon's nickname was Tricky Dick but that's not the name of his article is it? The major contributors took a vote back in April in regard to the man's name; also the MOS calls for it to be done this way.--Hokeman 03:28, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
How many fans of the Big Bopper know that his name was J.P. Richardson? How many of those know that J.P. stands for Jiles Perry? On the other hand, far more people know Richard Nixon by his real name than his nickname. So perhaps there's a better analogy. I note that Charles Lutwidge Dodgson and Samuel Langhorne Clemens both redirect to the authors' respective pen names. And back to the music world, searching for Gordon Sumner will lead to an article about Sting, not Gordon Sumner. John Michael Osbourne? Redirects to Ozzy. Cheryl LaPierre? Not even a re-direct there. Reginald Dwight? I think the point is made. Btw, I find nothing in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style regarding pen names, stage names, or nicknames. As for J.P., he picked a stage name for a reason, right? In any event, the Wikipedia de facto standard seems to be to use the stage name as the title of the article.

[edit] KTRM?

He's credited with working at KTRM radio -- that's Truman State University in Kirksville, MO. Was there an earlier station with these letters, and they were recycled later? Adamdavis 15:31, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

According to the Wikipedia article for KTRM, the call sign was in use for AM 990 in Beaumont during the time he worked there. The call sign for that station is now KZZB. Laura1822 01:00, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Daughter's age

A small inconsistancy here. If his daughter was born in Dec. 1953, she would have been 5 (not 4) at the time of his death in Feb 1959. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 98.199.120.129 (talk) 16:37, August 21, 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Citations & References

See Wikipedia:Footnotes for an explanation of how to generate footnotes using the <ref(erences/)> tags Nhl4hamilton (talk) 04:23, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

Jiles Perry Richardson → The Big Bopper — This is a biographic article about a notable musician whose birth name is not notable. He is commonly known as The Big Bopper, and his real name, Jiles Perry Richardson, Jr., is virtually unknown. Precedent for this is established by other cases where an artist is known exclusively by a stage name or pen name, such as Bono (Paul David Hewson), Sting (musician) (Gordon Matthew Thomas Sumner), and Mark Twain (Samuel Langhorne Clemens). Wilhelm meis (talk) 00:59, 12 June 2008 (UTC) —Wilhelm meis (talk) 00:59, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Survey

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[edit] Discussion

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