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[edit] Changing edits made by Thedefenceman

You really like to change my edits. I appreciate it if you want to make it better and its okay with me. But if you want to overhaul my edits, maybe we can talk about it.

As for the Dmitri Bulykin article, there was considerable speculationhe might return to the national team if he regains form with Bayer Leverkussen. There was the same speculation about Dmitri Kirichenko but it quickly died out.

I would really appreciate it if you read this and take it under consideration.

Thank You Thedefenceman (talk) 03:06, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thedefenceman

Just so you know, I was the one who wrote and later expanded the Spanish, Greek, and Russian national football team history. The record might not show it because I forgot to log while writing.

But I just want you to know that I'm looking to expand and improve many national football pages.

I just wanted to add a section for Russia with links to prevoius squads

Thanks Thedefenceman (talk) 00:07, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kerzhakov update

It looks like kerzhakov transfer speculations have pretty much died down. I google news searched kerzhakov and no one seems to be discussing him.

Thedefenceman (talk) 19:16, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Torpedoz

Left a reply for you on my talk page. Let's discuss everything prior to making any further steps. Cheers. BanRay 12:55, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Editor's Barnstar

		The Editor's Barnstar
		For your work on all the Metallurgs, ZILs and RGs, Good Job JHONY! ;) BanRay 22:37, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] FC Moscow as a Man City feeder?

You are of course correct that FC Moscow aren't a feeder, officially, but I'd argue that the context of the agreement between Man City and FC Moscow is paramount to a feeder club relationship. The agreement with the partner clubs includes the following clauses:

Occasional loans of players from Man City to their "partner clubs" for the purposes of assisting training sessions, and perhaps to give those players continued first-team experience
The intention for Man City to give trials to and hopefully fully sign players from their partner clubs if they show the aptitude and ability, and wish to make the transfer
Occasional training sessions whereby the partner clubs (individually) will come to Manchester to train for a month or so at Man City's facilities, with the Man City team (presumably every few years for each club)
Joint initiatives to establish youth academies around the world, largely using Man City's resources, and the partner clubs' regional presence and knowledge

I think that these clauses make it clearer that the partnership agreement is aimed at Man City assisting their partners, while raising up those talents as could play in the English Premier League, which is largely what a feeder club agreement is. Officially yes, FC Moscow isn't a feeder, but I think that practically, they are at least very close. I guess it comes down to whether you believe that clubs warrant being on the feeder club list by being so in practise or by being so in writing. Please do tell me if you disagree, I'm quite happy to admit that I'm not right on everything. Falastur2 (talk) 23:42, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Can you please provide a link with details of the partnership agreement you cited above? Source that was used as a reference in the article insists that "Manchester City have also signed co-operation agreement with FC Moscow of Russia" and nothing more, and I challenge a claim that all agreements were identical. Generally speaking, X is a farm club of Y if players that aren't good enough to play in Y's first team are transferred to X and promising players from X are transferred to Y. It seems that this is not the case of FC Moscow, because I searched some Russian media and found that the only thing done within the limits of this partnership agreement was a 10 days long probation of Moscow (ex-)head coach and goalkeepers' coach. This doesn't mean a feedership, for example, about thirty coaches from Russia were on probation in Chelsea to obtain a PRO license. Jhony | Talk 01:32, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough. My evidence is not infallible, but it was going along the basis of two things: that all of the partnership agreements were signed at virtually the same time, seemed to be announced as being for the same goals, and the Australian partner (Perth Glory) released a podcast where they explained the details of the partnership agreement to be as I explained them above. You can get the podcast here. But you're right, the two can't be definitely linked so you're probably right. Still, I personally believe that all the agreements are the same. Falastur2 (talk) 02:22, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

I suppose that would be unbelievably strange for a team finished 4th in the Russian Premier League to be a farm club of even likes of Real Madrid and AC Milan. I doubt that there is a significant difference in FC Moscow and Manchester City's levels of play, although differences in training infrastructure and organisation of training process are significant. It's more likely that this agreement is about probations, exchanging of experience and so on. Jhony | Talk 03:00, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough, you have a good point. I can't pretend that I know enough about the situation to debate against, so I'll go with your opinion. Falastur2 (talk) 00:55, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Happy New Year

Happy New Year Jhony! BanRay 12:23, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Anton Vlasov

Hi! Does Vlasov even play on PFC CSKA Moscow since according to this link, it seems like he's still playing for Крылья Советов-СОК... Right now Vlasov's own article and the PFC CSKA Moscow article have conflicting situations since you removed Vlasov's status of being on the current squad from that article. Thanks! -Yupik (talk) 20:03, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

CSKA signed Vlasov and Dmitri Ryzhov in this transfer window, Giner said that in "КАРВАЛЬЮ И ВАГНЕР ПРОДЛИЛИ КОНТРАКТЫ С ЦСКА". I've added them to CSKA squad. Jhony | Talk 20:19, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Ok, thanks! Could you check over my translation of FC Krylya Sovetov-SOK while you're at it? :) -Yupik (talk) 20:32, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I'll check it. As for my previous removal of Vlasov from squad, this happened simply because I reverted a number of poorly sourced edits. I intented adding Vlasov and Ryzhov later, as well as removing transferred out players like Eduardo Ratinho whose loan deal was terminated by CSKA. Jhony | Talk 20:38, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Done. Jhony | Talk 22:17, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] References and External Links order

Hi, I know it seems a pedantic revert, but on almost every article I have worked on the order is "See Also" to linked Wikipedia articles, then "References" to sources, and then "External Links" to external sites. I see no reason why the Martin Škrtel article should be any different. John Hayes^talk 13:55, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

The reason: the article currenty is missing some important information from his fc-zenit.ru profile, so the link to that profile should be easier to find for readers. I propose to switch them back later. Jhony | Talk 14:01, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

This is true (hence my revert of my own removal of it), but nonetheless there is an established order, and if a reader wants more info they can still see the link a little further down. Now as you have used it as a source it appears in two places anyway. John Hayes^talk 14:08, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I respect the established order, but the link is hidden now, that causes inconvenience for readers. And I not used the ref because with it infobox looks worse. Jhony | Talk 14:23, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

It seems that the order is not set in stone, so why not to make an exception until all relevant info will be added to the article? Jhony | Talk 14:34, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

By the way, when all relevant info will be added, the link may be removed at all. Jhony | Talk 14:39, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes it's not set in stone, but I see no reason to make an exception, the link is now in both the references and the external links, and the user can scroll down to see it. You can just as much claim the user wants to see the sources referenced. John Hayes^talk 16:08, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I agree. Jhony | Talk 16:11, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

AWB restores the order automatically anyway, so there's little sense changing it, I think BanRay 19:43, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Agree. Jhony | Talk 20:02, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] FC Krylia Sovetov-SOK Dimitrovgrad

I moved it to that title because that's what the first line of the article says the team's name is. You are welcome to move it again (i.e. without Dimitrovgrad). пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 16:58, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Martin Škrtel

I have replied to your discussion. John Hayes^talk 19:20, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Don't worry, I don't take any offence from anything on Wikipedia, in this case I just don't really agree with including this. While I agree that leaving it as a placeholder may mean it is added to later, I don't really see that in it's current state it adds anything to the article. But in the end it really isn't the most important thing to worry about in Wikipedia, so i was happy to put it back in and forget about it. ;) John Hayes^talk 07:55, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Georgi Kinkladze

I was wondering if, as a Russian speaking football editor, you could help me find information about Georgi Kinkladze. Specifically, I'm looking for more information about his spell at Rubin Kazan a couple of years ago. I'm aiming to get the article to FA at some point in the future, but I have found very little in English about his time in Russia. Oldelpaso (talk) 00:02, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Of course. I can do any copyediting required, so long as it doesn't involve speaking Russian :) . Oldelpaso (talk) 10:14, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. I hope my alterations reflect the intended meaning. One more thing which would help to round off the article - do you have any information about when Kinkladze made his final appearance for Rubin or scored his final goal? Oldelpaso (talk) 20:47, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Sure. I'm quite busy myself right now, and its not as if we're working to a deadline here. Oldelpaso (talk) 21:04, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

I see you found a free-use image of Kinkladze. You're an absolute star. Oldelpaso (talk) 15:00, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I've been looking for one for a long time, and had sent email requests to various places to see if I could procure one, but hadn't had any luck. Oldelpaso (talk) 15:49, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Usually, unless no photographs of the subject exist, and a free-use image is always better than a fair-use image. Oldelpaso (talk) 16:02, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I think the assists column should be dropped. No assist stats exist from when he played for City, and there's little chance of getting them for when he played for Dinamo, Boca or Saarbrucken. Oldelpaso (talk) 16:17, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Stats for assists are never tallied seriously here. I have some more comments about the article, but I'll put them at Talk:Georgi Kinkladze so other editors can see them more easily. Oldelpaso (talk) 18:09, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

<- I've given it a quick run through. What exactly do you mean by "becoming the most honoured Georgian footballer who ever played in Russian Premier League"? I've commented out the full appearance statistics for now due to the number of gaps. What do you think about changing their format to that used in Gilberto Silva? I think it might be time to list the article at Wikipedia:Peer Review to get some independent feedback. Oldelpaso (talk) 17:53, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Ah, I didn't realise the Russian Cup doesn't take place during the league season. One other thing, I've never seen the notation you've used for the international appearances before. Oldelpaso (talk) 18:41, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bulykin

Hey this is the defenceman. the editor who works mainly with articles with Russian football. Im having trouble updating Bulykin's goal count at Bayer Leverkusen, each time i do change it im told my edit was not constructive and is reverted. I would appeciate it if you could help me with this.

thanks Thedefenceman (talk) 05:05, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi! As far as I understand the issue, he scored once in Bundesliga and twice in UEFA Cup. In infobox, only league goals are counted, that's why we have 4 (1). Jhony 18:55, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: permissions-commons and Russian language

Hi Jhony. The aim of OTRS is to give us a way to trace the permissions in case they need to be verified. If you can provide a quick translation (or just a summary) in English, that might help other users who, in future, can be in need to verify the permission.

Привет Jhony. Цель службы OTRS - восможность находить разрешений во случае нам надо их проверять. Если ты можешь дать быстрый перевод (или краткое изложение) по-англиски, то будет помогать другим участникам в этом задании.

Ciao. --Paginazero (talk) 09:54, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

In this very moment I don't remember whether I'm allowed to work on the Commons' queue (I usually work on Italian-language queues). If so, I'll follow it up. Bye. --Paginazero (talk) 20:43, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding "POV/Slander" of FC Zenit

Hi - You left the message "Please refrain from POV-pushing and slandering, as you did to the FC Zenit Saint Petersburg page."

Another editor had added the section on racism of Zenit fans, which was removed with the message "unproven" [1]. I re-inserted it with a citation from the UK Telegraph newspaper, although I changed the note from "will not sign a black player" to "only Russian premier team who have never signed a black player", which was mentioned in the citation I inserted "Zenit fans are racist, admits Dick Advocaat".

Is it your contention that Advocaat never made these remarks? Is the statement that Zenit are the only Russian premier team never to have signed a black player false? Is the report of racist remarks and gestures against Marseille players false? (Reported 14 Mar 08 - "Racist chants disgust Marseille chief")

Camillus 23:15, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

I suggest you add your reply to me on the talk page of the article itself, because these purported comments by Advocaat where widely reported, in various newspapers, even if you have "never heard of such an interview". You also say that even if the interview is true, it's still "POV not fact". True, but it's the alleged POV of the club's manager!

The link to Zenit's anti-racist policy is not very relevant - every club has an anti-racist policy, and the club is not being accused of racist behaviour, but rather elements of the support are being accused of anti-black sentiments.

(Incidentally, personally, I'd be happy if this was reliably debunked, as I'm a fan of Celtic F.C., no great fan of Rangers, and hate the negative football that's got them to the final. I even have a Zenit shirt from my visit to St. Petersburg in '98 :)

Camillus 01:05, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. I'm now searching for recent Advocaat interviews in Russian press. Hope we'll assume results as a basis for further actions. Jhony 01:49, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kinkladze

I've decided to go for it — Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Georgi Kinkladze. Oldelpaso (talk) 20:25, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Can you check the reference for In October 2002, Georgian national team head coach Aleksandr Chivadze unexpectedly omitted Kinkladze and captain Georgi Nemsadze from the team for their match against Russia, causing a stir in Georgia.^[1]? From looking at RSSSF I suspect this was October 2003. Oldelpaso (talk) 09:17, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Just a note

I follow football in the Scottish media very closely and they are in general very positive about Zenit (they have been underdogs and are managed by Advocaat, former manager in Scotland). The only thing bad I've ever heard in the Scottish media about Russian football culture and racism was in the run up to the Scotland-Ukraine game earlier in the year when Mr Blokhin got some coverage for certain remarks see here. All the best, Deacon of Pndapetzim (Talk) 23:27, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks!

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