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[edit] Just created Latter Day Saint WikiProject

Thanks for all of your amazing work on the Apostles. I just created a WikiProject under Wikipedia:WikiProject Latter Day Saint, and used a script to identify red links—after you added the list of apostles. As the script was running, it appears you've made dozens of articles.

If you every get tired of Apostles, feel free to look over the reports on the Latter Day Saint WikiProject. Thanks. Cool Hand Luke 08:27, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)

One more note: please stop moving pages off of their most widely-known name. Typically, wikipedia articles use these names. For example, Thomas Edison, Susan B. Anthony, ect. What I'm saying is: David O. McKay belongs at David O. McKay. Ditto J. Reuben Clark, ect. Cool Hand Luke 08:55, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Oh, and one more thing. Even stubs should have more content then a timeline box. Cool Hand Luke (Communicate!) 04:57, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)

You moved the pages on the two Joseph Fielding Smiths, but our article on the younger one says that his middle name is usually spelled out, while the elder is usually referred to as just Joseph F. Smith. And this is the way they were titled before. Don't you think this was a better way to distinguish the titles than the years of birth/death? Everyking 13:45, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Also, bio articles should be at the most commonly used name for a person. I just had to move Howard W. Hunter back to its original title, as it seems clear to me that this is how he is commonly known. Everyking 13:53, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Well, I've just had to move countless LDS bio articles back to their proper titles. Please don't do that anymore. Everyking 14:23, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Apostle Check-in

What Apostle bios do you need help with? I have some time to help. Let me know on my talk page. -Visorstuff 19:59, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I seem to have intruded and/or joined in your efforts on the original twelve - and on into the presidents of the church. Look over recent work on Wilford Woodruff, Lorenzo Snow, Hyrum Smith, Parley P. Pratt, Orson Pratt and Orson Hyde. Some notes and little things on some of the others as well. Comments welcome. WBardwin 04:50, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Just added church service information to your Heber C. Kimball article as well. I decided it was time to remove the stub, as it turned out rather well. Please look it over. Comments welcome. WBardwin 06:29, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Thank you. The work has been fun! Hamer brought up some good points on the Thomas B. Marsh page that I 've been mulling over. NPOV is hard on religious sites - but the emotion of the times needs to be reflected in LDS articles as well. So Marsh will probably be edited a little more in the future. I hope to get to Heber C. Kimball again sometime soon. WBardwin 20:09, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

I always intended community effort on the apostles and such. WBardwin, Visorstuff, do as much or as little as you like. To tell you the truth I am an amateur and I am learning things about church history I've never known. I really appreciate the work you are doing, and I love your writing style, WBardwin. Jgardner 20:14, 25 May 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Rename of Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

Can you please support the rename and requested move to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter=day Saints Wikipedia:Requested moves#Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-day_Saints_.26rarr.3B_The_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-day_Saints Thx in Adv --Trodel 06:34, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Quorums of Seventy

FYI - I moved the shell to Talk:Quorums of the Seventy, generally wikipedia editors don't like comments in the article space - so I moved it to talk so that it wouldn't get reverted by someone else. :) Thanks for your contributions to the Latter Day Saint movement Wikiproject. Trödel|talk 23:34, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Succession Boxes

I noticed you are editing the succession boxes - I am working on an Template:LDSInfobox that I intend to use on all prophets/apostles - can we coordinate our efforts. I put the new infobox on a few GA's to see if there would be any feedback. See Gordon B. Hinckley, Howard W. Hunter, Ezra Taft Benson, Brigham Young - and I used a subpage on on Joseph Smith, Jr. because he didn't seem to fit the mold of the template. Thx in adv, Trödel|talk 21:31, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

To coordinate our efforts on succession and the Infobox - I proposed to put in which apostle created the vacancy (replacing) and which apostle filled the vacancy caused by the death of this apostle (replaced by). This assumes all 15 (normally) are considered to be part of the 12 since that is where they go when the first presidency is disolved upon the death of the president. I also proposed including who ordained whom to the apostleship and the presidency of the church. I would appreciate your thoughts at LDSInfobox. Trödel|talk 05:05, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Anon Examination and Cleanup

As I was going offline last night I noticed a number of edits by this anon. They worked on "your" date pages as well as on apostles, changing names in some of our succession boxes among other things. Not vandalism, but probably honest work. I do think they misunderstand the succession box's purpose. I left them a note to that effect and hope they follow through, but we might have clean up to do. Please look over these pages, especially "your" date pages, for any errors. Thanks. WBardwin 18:57, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

Recent TOP edits by 69.17.114.116:

Errr.... 69.17.114.116 is myself. I hadn't logged in last night. Oops.
OK! Then I won't worry about things for a while. Thanks anyway. WBardwin 22:33, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Decades work - thanks

Just came across your decades in Mormonism work. That is great stuff - thanks 205.188.117.74 14:58, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] AFD Alert on decades articles

The series of lists relating to LDS history, much of this laboriously produced by you if I'm not mistaken, is being proposed for deletion. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1990s (LDS). I think they have great value. If you see this (I miss you!), your opinions and comments, please. WBardwin 22:23, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sandbox

This is my sandbox. Please don't touch this part.

[edit] Century

Template:Century

[edit] Decade

Centuries:

19th century - 20th century - 21st century
Decades:

1880s 1890s 1900s - 1910s - 1920s 1930s 1940s
Years:

1910 1911 1912 1913 1914 1915 1916 1917 1918 1919

[edit] Year

Template:Year box

[edit] LDS

In your decade/century templates, what does "LDS" stand for?? Georgia guy 18:23, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

LDS stands for Latter-Day Saint(s). The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is the official name of the Mormon church. --Austinsimcox 16:50, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Decades in Mormonism

Please stop creating pages with no actual content (e.g 1830s (Mormonism)). Note that "any article whose contents consist only of an external link, See also section, book reference, category tag, template tag, or interwiki link" is meant to be speedy deleted on sight by an admin. - SimonP 18:58, Apr 29, 2005 (UTC)

You have to remember that everything in the article namespace has to be for the benefit of readers, not just editors. A page like 1830s (Mormonism) contains nothing that is helpful for readers. On the contrary having empty articles in the main namespace merely causes confusion and annoyance for people looking for information. As to the article titles, brackets on Wikipedia indicate a disambiguation, which is not what is meant by these pages. Every other timeline (e.g. 1830 in Canada, 1830 in music, 2004 in politics) uses the "#### in ... format". - SimonP 22:40, Apr 29, 2005 (UTC)

Just a thought - why not create these pages some are objecting to in your personal user space and then move them if they have enough content. Trödel|talk 02:23, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hypocrisy

Are you still watching the "hypocrisy" page. The anonymous user keeps reverting without discussion. Temtem 17:38, Apr 30, 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Titles on LDS pages

I'd like to suggest you change the way you're titling many of your Mormonism-related pages. In particular, as evidenced by the comment above, the parenthetical (LDS) in titles is confusing for many people. May I suggest (Mormonism) or (Latter Day Saints) as alternatives? - dcljr (talk) 07:59, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I've submitted a proposal on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Latter Day Saint movement. - dcljr (talk) 18:54, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] J. Reuben Clark

Thank you for your input on J. Reuben Clark -- looks like we have even more work to do. Trödel and I are at an impass on the issue on the talk page. But we have mutually agreed to delete our dispute from the talk page. This is particularly appropriate as Trödel discovered the original wordage is a copyright violation, reducing the relevance of the original anon's comments. As your comments are on record, please look them over and decide if you would like them retained on the page. I won't disturb them, obviously. Thanks. Comments welcome. WBardwin 00:46, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Picture for Brigham Henry Roberts

"Restricted to noncommercial use" [1]. Is this okay? I'm still a bit new to image uploading. Hathawayc 22:48, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Relief Society Presidents, i/e Emma Hale Smith.

Do you think we should do articles/with appropriate succession boxes on the Presidents of the LDS Relief Society? As a Brighamite, I'm unfamiliar with the continuation of the RS organization/function in the other Mormon traditions. How are we handling the apostle boxes when apostles created/supported the other traditions? What do you think? WBardwin 06:42, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I can start on a couple of articles. We have Emma Smith (1) and Eliza R. Snow (2) to start with. If I'm not mistaken, you are a Brighamite too! That's what the Missouri Saints - later Reorg/Church of Christ -- (I guess I could use the newly fashionable term in Mormon History "The Prairie Saints") originally called those who followed Brigham Young west. I don't think the Church of Christ ever used the name Relief Society or formally organized a women's auxilliary. But I don't know about the other offshoots. Will look for sources on our noble ladies. WBardwin 16:45, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I copied the apostles succession box onto the two existing articles for now. Perhaps a redesign later would be appropriate. WBardwin 17:33, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I think a list of RS Presidents (like the list of apostles) belongs in the Relief Society Article. I have most of the info to hand, although I should double check the dates. Will drop it in. WBardwin 18:01, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Zina D. H. Young, 3rd president, started. Please review if you have time. WBardwin 19:37, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks, and a question

Hi Jgardner-

Thanks for looking over my edits on the Smoot Hearings page. My random Wikipedia wanderings have brought me to a number of Mormon-related pages tonight, and I see from your user page that you're an LDS member, so I have a question for you. I've read (in a source that seemed somewhat anti-Mormon to me) that the Temple Lot was believed by the first-generation Mormons to have been the site of the Garden of Eden. Do you know if that was or still is church doctrine? If so, I think it would be good to note that on the page. I'm not a Mormon, and I very much hope that this question isn't offensive -- I'm just trying to expand my knowledge and improve Wikipedia! --Jfruh 07:02, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hi Jgardner --
Sorry it took me so long to respond to you -- I'm not religious myself, but I promise I don't think you're a nut :). Thanks for the detail on the Temple Lot. Right now the Temple Lot page doesn't contain any info on why Joseph Smith chose the spot for a temple, or why the site is important for LDS churches. I have an urge to add the info, but I don't have the time to do so now; if you feel a similar urge, I encourage you to go ahead! --Jfruh 05:59, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Joseph Smith, Jr.

We came close to an edit conflict a few moments ago -- you reverted while I only corrected one of the new editors changes. The others were spelling corrections. I notice he has been back since, but I don't know if he got them all again. You might look.

You are a brave man to split the article. I suggested it a while back (in archived talk, I think) and people had a lot of differenct ideas. I agree the article's too long, but any type of split might bring comments. Good luck. WBardwin 20:22, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

J, you really are an optimist proposing to remove the NPOV from the prophecy article. I admire your willingness to believe all things are possible. Storm Rider 1 July 2005 23:14 (UTC)

J, thanks for your hard work on the JS Prophet article. I appreciate your dedication. Tom Haws July 5, 2005 23:22 (UTC)

In your absence, after a long discussion, the group broke another chunk off Joseph Smith, Jr. Please see the new article: Death of Joseph Smith, Jr. Hope you come back again soon. Miss seeing your name on my watch list. WBardwin 06:38, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Published Works

Thanks for the nice comments. I have been collecting bibliographic references for members of the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve for about three years now.

Budiselich 05:20, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hello, thanks

I can assume that the Bank of Wikipedia, whatever it was, was a kind of complement. I've been off the project for a long time due to stress and disgust about topics unrelated to Mormonism. Pioneer Day kind of inspired me to log in again; my city needs a lot of work. I'll hopefully contribute to some Salt Lake/Utah topics. I'll see you around perhaps, but my focus will be off the church. Incidentally, I think you do good work. Keep it up. Cool Hand Luke 00:38, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Melchizedek

Mr. Jgardner: Instead of voicing her concern the SlimVirgin removed link to Dominion of Melchizedek without explanation after she just finished saying that she doesn't know anything about this subject. Can you help with efforts to bring balance to the article about DOM?KAJ 07:17, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] POV Tag on 1830s (Mormonism)

This article was recently tagged for POV. Although the list used common Mormon vocabulary, I found the "tagging" generally an overreaction. I edited the article to remove some Mormon language as well as POV added by the "tagging" editor, moved the POV tag to the talk page for discussion, and left an explanation. You did good work on this one, so please take a look. WBardwin 09:25, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject LDS

Hello! I noticed you were on the list of members in the LDS WikiProject, and I was wondering if you were still interested in helping out there. You see, over the past few months, it appears that it has slowly drifted into inactivity. But you CAN help. Please consider doing both of the following:

  1. Take ONE thing form the To-Do list and do it. Once you're done with it, remove it from the list, and from the<>{{Template:LDSprojectbox}}<>, so we know its done. Keep the page on your watchlist. We have a backlog going for more than half a year. Please help to work on it, and remove it.
  2. Vote on the LDSCOTF, and work on it!
  3. Tell your friends (esp. LDS friends, & esp. Wikipedian friends) about this WikiProject, and enocourage them to join (and be active).

Remember: your involvement in this WikiProject is just that - involvement! Please help us out.

(Note: I'm sending this out to everyone who's name was on the membership list, so I will NOT be watching this page for a response. If you want to contact me, do it on MY talk page, please.)

Thanks for all that you do -Trevdna 15:45, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Also, I peer reviewed James E. Faust. So, go ahead and check it out, and answer the given questions. If there is anything else you want it peer reviewed about, feel free to relist it, but tell what else you want done with it. --Trevdna 02:00, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] LDS help

I'm interested in helping out with the LDS project. Let me know what I can do. (Btw, I also served a mission in Korea. Pusan mission, 1998-2000.) uriah923(talk) 22:31, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

I saw that you are looking for help in writing biographies on the church leaders. I would like to correlate dates and other things. Crocoite 06:48, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

I would also like to help. Please contact me! --Austinsimcox 16:51, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mitt Romney

J Gardner,

I saw that you have edited this page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitt_Romney

This page is the #2 site that comes up when doing a "Mitt Romney" google. In my opinion, it is better than any other Mitt Romney article. However, it is not very comprehensive. I'm trying to make something more like a Mitt Romney book, instead of a Mitt Romney Article. The website is here:

http://myclob.pbwiki.com/

I examine many additional topics, but I want more perspectives than just my own. I would like you to help contribute, if you would like. Just e-mail me at: mike.laub@gmail.com, and I will give you the password!

Until we get more people working on it, I would like to keep the password a secret. I do not have enough time to correct graffiti.

[edit] Archibald Gardner

Dear Jonathan: I too am a descendent of Archibald, one of 10,000 in 1992. He is my great gtandfather, with Serena parenting Serenus(Cy) Gardner by grandfather in Spanish Fork, where my father Serenus H. (Rea) was also raised, both going on missions, Cy when my father was one year old in 1892. I'd love to share my father's Mission diary, 1910 to 1912, or his "I walked the Mormon Trail in 1912" PDF article with you. You can see the LDS traditions in which I was nutured, I the youngest of a 11 child family.

Given clues by Mr. Baldwin. I thank you for making significant improvements to Archibald Gardner's life story. However, I would also like to humbly reaquest that you find an appropriate section to replace Archibald's personality, a wonderful public speaker who excelled in story telling, the major entertainment form of his period. In addition, our side of the family was taught to swing an ax, as a sign of manbhood. It seems that the 'swing an ax' and story telling traditions that Archobald held dear have not been passed down in your part of the family (otherwise yoy may not have excised them).

Thank you for considering these requests. Finally, may I add that in certain respects you are thinking outside of the box by marrying a wonderful Korean lady. My wife was born in Mexico. Bertha moved to the USA at age 12 with 13 siblings. Several Mexican traditions have been successfully integrated into our 42 year marriage. Hopefully the same is taking place with respect to the interesting Korean langauge and several of its traditions. Best Regards, Milogardner

ps: pleasse use milogardner@yahoo.com for file sharing or other discussions. My computer is new, adding VISTA, a resource that I will be using.

[edit] Template:Century

Hi, I just noticed that a template you created, Template:Century, is unused and appears to be abandoned. I've marked it as deprecated, meaning it'll be deleted in two weeks' time if nobody objects. If there's a reason to keep it please leave a note at Wikipedia talk:Deprecated and orphaned templates and feel free to remove the {{deprecated}} tag from the template. Thanks. Bryan Derksen (talk) 09:53, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Also the Template:Year box template. Bryan Derksen (talk) 09:53, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Please Contact

Jonathan, I'm also a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints located in Vancouver, WA. Please contact me at EmailUser/Crocoite -- Crocoite (talk) 10:48, 25 March 2008 (UTC)