Talk:Jewellery Quarter

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Esterbrooke Copyright violation removed, page is now ready for re-listing 195.92.67.75 22:51, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

OK, I have written this article to encompass the pen trade in the quarter also, it is original material and all sources for the page content can be found on the links I have provided, and a link taken from the main brum article (some ancient project or other). Nick Boulevard 13:45, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

1 Nibs
2 Dip pen
3 WP:RM Jewellery Quarter → Jewellery Quarter, Birmingham
4 1st gold smith

[edit] Nibs

The nib technology bit needs checking. Geeky pen sites - eg [1] and [2] - say Duracrome was the earlier steel-tipped nib. "Gold and jewel" were never nibs as such: the gold is the decorative and anti-corrosion plating on the non-writing bit of the nib, the jewel was part of the pen barrel trim. See also Fountain_pen (which mentions that in pen circles, "iridium" is a misnomer for "osmiridium") RayGirvan 15:16, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Dip pen

I have moved most of the pen info to the dip pen article, where it is more appropriate. Some basic info remains here, along with a link to the new location. Denni ☯ 18:49, 2005 Jun 11 (UTC)

Looks good. Nick Boulevard 11:22, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Actually on second thoughts, I love your history edit but please can we keep most of the pen history in this page, it took me ages to research all that and write, I know its not perfect but I created it with the intention of adding it to the jewellery quarter, it looks well intergrated on dip pen, looks even better on Jewellery quarter :) Nick Boulevard 23:38, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The problem is that it is not appropriate in an article on the Jewellery Quarter. It badly unbalances the article. The information has not disappeared, it's merely been moved to a place where it fits better. Denni ☯ 23:50, 2005 Jun 13 (UTC)

I get your point and to be honest I originally had an idea of creating an article called the pen quarter which seems to have been in the jewellery quarter but also on the outskirts as well which is the area just off colmore row (the old colmore estate I think), in this case I actually think that a new page is in order, that way a link could be added here and the pen quarter article could grow independently, considering the amount of info out there it could become quite an interesting article to compliment the jewellery quarter. Nick Boulevard 16:25, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Actually, "Pen Quarter" or "Birmingham Pen manufacture"? the pen quarter was as i said manily in the jewellery quarter and colmore estate area, however there were other factories and workshops across the city, the baskerville font was created in Brum as well. Nick Boulevard 16:30, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I think "Pen Quarter" is the better choice, if that is actually what it is (or was) called. Denni ☯ 04:34, 2005 Jun 15 (UTC)

[edit] WP:RM Jewellery Quarter → Jewellery Quarter, Birmingham

Oppose - why? What other articles on Jewllery Quarters are in need of articles right now that are as or more notable (I've never heard of this one, so...)? We don't disambiguate unless it is needed, after all. James F. (talk) 20:26, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I think you may find that Andy Mabbett (pigs) wishes to cause as much havoc to any article I ever write, hence his picking up on the few bits of copyright I foolishly added and then his willingness to change the title of the page after the entire content was removed, I have re-written it at Jewellery Quarter, Birmingham with another editor copy editing, I would rather keep it simply as jewellery quarter. Nick Boulevard 23:26, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Oppose The title should be what would be most logically searched for. All other things being equal, the shorter the better. Denni ☯ 23:52, 2005 Jun 13 (UTC)

Oppose Google shows it's by far the most significant use of the term. <"Jewellery Quarter">: 43,400 hits. <"Jewellery Quarter" -Birmingham>: 4,990 hits. RayGirvan 00:29, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Oppose from me, too. Until we need disambiguation, there's no point in doing it. The first sentence of the article makes it clear where the Jewellery Quarter is. --Brumburger 09:11, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Oppose. violet/riga (t) 18:50, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it to be moved. violet/riga (t) 18:50, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)