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What I think Linus means about "tit-for-tat" -- he means that the (he thinks) the GPL requires that he (the copyright holder) be given source code for derivative works of his code, and the legal right to include pieces of those works in materials he distributes.

This is not true. The GPL does not require this. At all. It's very subtle, but it doesn't. If someone wants to take Linux code, add some really, really cool feature, and distribute the resulting code to 30 of their friends, none of whom are willing to show Linus any of the code, Linus is totally out of luck. He can't see the improvements, so, even though, if he was given a copy of them, he could distribute them, that doesn't help, because none of the 30 people will give him such a copy. The GPL is totally satisfied in this situation, with no quams or arguments. Now, if the 30 were coerced in some way against distributing the code to Linus, that would make the FSF upset (depending on the creativity of the way, it might be a loophole, or might be a violation), but if they 30 simply didn't feel like showing Linus the code, that's explicitly allowed.

This situation (code, all of whose recipients decided, without coersion, not to distribute it to someone else) probably doesn't happen that often (although, if it did, how would we know?), but that's the basic misunderstanding Linus has about the GPL.

192.92.124.14 (really, User:JesseW/not logged in) 18:16, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Links to pages listing Union Shops in the LA area:

Starting from the links at: http://www.launionaflcio.org/unions.html

• http://www.uwua132.org/ -- only a phone number.
• http://www.usw675.org/ -- represents Gas Company employees.
• http://www.teamsters911.com/ -- need to call them to figure out who they represent.
• http://www.seiu434b.org/ -- seems to represent nurses, nursing home workers, homecare workers, etc. -- need to call them to find out exactly where they represent.
• http://www.herelocal11.org/Updated_List.htm -- has a list of hotels and restaurants (not a complete list) ; http://www.hotellaboradvisor.info/HotelGuide/ -- also has a list.
• http://www.ufcw770.org/shop.htm -- List of supermarket brand names that are unionized; need to match this to specific locations.
• http://www.ufcw1442.org/ -- logos of unionized supermarket brands; same as above.
• http://www.uawlocal148.com/ -- seems to represent some aerospace workers in the LA area; should call them to find out details.
• http://www.uaw2865.org/home/home.php -- graduate student employees of UC campuses.
• http://www.seiu1877.org/ourlocal/ -- has general information, need to make it more specific.
• http://www.dc36.org/Locals.htm -- a list of locals contact info, but not specific job site info; need to call for this information.
• http://www.local501.org/ -- engineers, no list of job sites
• http://www.promusic47.org/ -- not sure if "job site" concept really applies.

http://www.seiuca.org/about/locals.cfm -- list of SEIU locals in California

http://www.seiu121rn.org/121RN_hospitals/Default.aspx <- list of union worksites whose nurses are represented by SEIU 121

http://www.getunionwireless.com <-- AT&T/Cingular IS UNIONIZED. Verizon, and the rest, ARE NOT. WHY DON"T WE KNOW THIS ALREADY!!!

Starting from the links at: http://dir.yahoo.com/Regional/U_S__States/California/Metropolitan_Areas/Los_Angeles_Metro/Business_and_Shopping/Business_to_Business/Labor/Unions/

• http://studioteachers.com/ <- IATSE local 884; represents "studio teachers", i.e. teachers teach child actors on set; not really relevant to my patronize list.
• http://personal.linkline.com/mlesch/index.html <- Branch 1439 of the National Association of Letter Carriers ; not in the LA area, letter carriers don't really relevant to my patronize list; but it did get me to: unionworkers.com
• http://www.nalcbranch1100.org <- also NALC, not that relevant to me; nice site, though.
• http://www.cwa9400.com/bargaining_units.htm <- a list of the companies (some of) whose workers they represent; great! (there are also links to more details for some of them)
• http://lgb.natca.net/ <- air traffic controllers; doesn't fit a patronize list
• http://www.teamsters572.org/ <- has a list of businesses they represent (a lot)

End of Yahoo list.

From the list at: http://www.unionworkers.com/labor_union/l19.php (and the next page):

• There seems to be a lot of union-related offices in the building at 675 S. Park View St., LA, CA, 90057; e.g. BCTGM, Local 102, the UCLA Labor Studies Center, etc.
• CWA, Local Union 9000 <- http://www.cwa9000.org/ ; office on Venice Blvd.
• IBEW, Local Union 18 ; (213) 387-8274 ; http://www.ibewlocal18.com/ ; W. 2nd St., LA <- need to call for details of who/where; website is empty
• IBEW, Local Union 889 ; 3356 Perlita Avenue ; Los Angeles, CA 90039 ; (310) 543-9220 ; need to call for details
• IBT, Local Union 630 ; 750 S STANFORD AVENUE / LOS ANGELES, CA 90021
• IBT, local 896; 3303 WILSHIRE BLVD #300 / LOS ANGELES, CA 90010
• Laborers International Union of North America local 300; 515 SHATTO PLACE, 2ND FLOOR / LOS ANGELES, CA 90020
• United Union of Roofers, Waterproofers and Allied Workers local 36 ; 5380 POPLAR Blvd. / LOS ANGELES, CA 90032
• SEIU locals in LA: 1877, 399, 434
• http://www.uaplumber78.com/ <- plumbers union; need to look at website more...
• Various more I haven't gotten around to looking at yet...

End of Unionworkers.com list

http://www.bctgm.org/buybctgm/buybctgm-intro.htm <- has a list of companies employing members of the Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers International Union.

Need to look at the list from: http://www.at-la.com/@la-union.htm

http://www.teamstersjc42.com/costco.htm <- List of the Costco stores that are unionized; not many near my store, though...

http://www.teamstersjc42.com/goods-serv.htm <- List of brand names employing Teamster's memebers; need to find out if all outlets stocking them are unionized.