Talk:Jesse Thorn

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I basically copied, and then reworded, the New Sincerity section from the New Sincerity page. I don't know whether or not this is against wikipedia rules, and if anyone wants to replace it with something else made from scratch, feel free, I justthought it was important enough to be included on the page.

Jesse Thorn here. I am against skits on hip-hop albums. Someone must have added that as a joke. —Preceding unsigned comment added by YoungAmerican (talk • contribs) 01:02, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Who originated the comment "Irony is dead", and when? That's important history there. --166.84.254.33 (talk) 17:25, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] This pretty clearly confuses cynicism with irony, doesn't it?

I would also warn about the corrosive and deadening effects of awesomeness. For how long do you think Mr. Knievel seems awesome, exactly? That's where cynicism comes from -- when "awesome" begins to cloy. It's literally what "jaded" means -- worn out. Irony protects against cynicism (by making meaning more supple). If someone happens to be ill-tempered, that's unrelated to irony.

Also, the opposite of "sincere" isn't "ironic," it's "insincere." Again, if someone is unable or unwilling to express sincere emotion, that's not something to lay at irony's door.

Someone who is insincere and someone who is ironic may both not mean what they say, but in very different ways. The person who is ironic means something, the person who is insincere might not mean anything, which is probably what provokes the reaction we see here. There isn't even a slippery slope from irony to nihilism. --96.231.232.246 (talk) 04:38, 17 April 2008 (UTC)