Talk:Jesse Tafero

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More information about this article... The following comments have been left for this page: If I can't be allowed to provide the record foundation to correct the errors in the original entry and the entry itself has no reliable, verifiable source, then the entry itself should be removed until and unless can provide a cite for the information that meets your criteria. Your policy does not allow promotional material and this entry is a promotion for Jacobs' books. Jessie Joseph Tafero killed two officers and was executed as the legal penalty for his crimes. Every court up to and including the US Supreme Court upheld his convictions and death sentence. Those are the facts. Tafero is no more special than any other person who has been executed. Even the fact that his execution was botched is not unique, even in Florida. If Wikipedia is devoted to presenting factual information, those are the facts. All of the other rhetoric about Jacobs, Rhodes, etc. is neither factual or verifiable as written. Therefore, there is no reason that this should be an entry in Wikipedia at all. I would like to request that, if you won't allow me to correct the factual errors, you remove the entry entirely. Official records in the case apparently don't fit with your definition of a verifiable source, which I accept, but then the entry doesn't meet that criterion, either. Saralestes 21:11, 11 October 2007 (UTC) Sara Estes (edit)

[edit] removing this statement

"The initial violence was compounded by the state and federal courts' failure to act to protect Tafero's rights to a fair trial and his right to be free from cruel and unusual punishment, a right violated in the course of his execution." That is the most biased thing I've ever heard, so I had to remove it.

[edit] Not factual

The original entry contains many factual errors that conflict directly with the official records in this case. The facts as presently stated are strictly from Jacobs' representations, which do not constitute a verifiable source. I have tried to correct the errors and have been prevented from doing so, even though I can provide copies of all of the official records in the case. If my official case records are not an acceptable verification of the corrections I have made, then this entire entry should be removed from the Wikipedia database, as it reflects Jacobs' personal assertions, not verifiable fact.

Jessie Tafero's name was not even spelled correctly. His legal name is Jessie Joseph Tafero. The variant spelling was one of his aliases. You can see his FDLE file at http://www.asking4justice.org/Download/Background/TaferoFLDEHistory.pdf. Rhodes was not released for good behavior. He is still in prison. Jacobs was not exonerated. She pled guilty. Her plea colloquy can be downloaded at http://www.asking4justice.org/Download/Postconviction/Jacobs/JacobsPleaColloquy100992.pdf.

In keeping with Wikipedia's neutral stance, material without a factual basis (such as this original entry) should be either removed or corrected. This original entry is a marketing entry for Jacobs' book. Saralestes 20:55, 11 October 2007 (UTC)Sara Estes

I took a look at the Jacobs document, and I think that it should be pointed out here that while she technically pled guilty, she did not admit guilt -- it was what's called an Alford plea, where the defendant agrees to plead guilty to satisfy the terms of a plea bargain. --Trovatore (talk) 03:49, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Actually, see WP:V -- articles should have a reliable, verifiable basis -- not a factual one. Admittedly, the current article is uncited as well -- but the webpage you list is not a reliable source -- see WP:RS -- and much of the info you add is not notable or slightly POV'd. If you can link to a reliable copy of these documents, by all means, cite them. But the site you mention is not reliable. Gscshoyru 20:59, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Plea for fairness

If I can't be allowed to provide the record foundation to correct the errors in the original entry and the entry itself has no reliable, verifiable source, then the entry itself should be removed until and unless can provide a cite for the information that meets your criteria. Your policy does not allow promotional material and this entry is a promotion for Jacobs' books. Jessie Joseph Tafero killed two officers and was executed as the legal penalty for his crimes. Every court up to and including the US Supreme Court upheld his convictions and death sentence. Those are the facts. Tafero is no more special than any other person who has been executed. Even the fact that his execution was botched is not unique, even in Florida. If Wikipedia is devoted to presenting factual information, those are the facts. All of the other rhetoric about Jacobs, Rhodes, etc. is neither factual or verifiable as written. Therefore, there is no reason that this should be an entry in Wikipedia at all. I would like to request that, if you won't allow me to correct the factual errors, you remove the entry entirely. Official records in the case apparently don't fit with your definition of a verifiable source, which I accept, but then the entry doesn't meet that criterion, either. Saralestes 21:16, 11 October 2007 (UTC) Sara Estes

If you find a WP:RS, you can put in some of what you say -- but some of what you add is POV'd. You can slash the promotional material, too, and you can put the article up for WP:AFD if you wish, too, if you don't think it should be an article. Gscshoyru 21:24, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] likely copyvio and NPOV issue

I removed a large chuck of text that appeared to be copied straight from a book. While quoting some text from a copyrighted work is permissible under fair use, the amount quoted may very likely violated fair use rules. Also the manor in which the quoted text was presented was not NPOV in my opinion. Even if the text was not a straight quote from the book, it was not written in a NPOV manor. While It's valid to included relevant claims made by the book, they should be presented a manor that conforms to Wikipedia copyright and NPOV guidelines. --Cab88 15:17, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Criminal record

I think it's important to provide the criminal record of the three and that fact there was a warrant out for their arrest at the time. Most important is the fact that Tafero's criminal record included burglary, robbery, drugs and rape. Rhodes on the other hand had only an assault charge. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smb2a (talk • contribs) 17:20, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Where is your proof that there was a warrant out for their arrest at the time? You know nothing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.50.143.22 (talk) 00:17, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

This website provides a number of pdf's of the three perpetrators' criminal records. This one includes the drug charges

against Tafero and Jacobs.

http://www.asking4justice.org/Download/Background/1974SouthCarolinaconvix.pdf —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smb2a (talk • contribs) 00:12, 6 June 2008 (UTC)