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Contents 1 Jackson photo 2 Other Information 3 Final GA Review comments 4 WP:OR concerns

[edit] Jackson photo

(moved from User talk:Dhartung) Regarding your edit at the Jesse Jackson, Jr. page. Is it really necessary to retain the old photo of him? It seems rather odd to have before-and-after weight-loss images of a US Congressman. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chaser (talk • contribs)

Well, as I said, he may regain the weight (in my experience: he will). There will always be a new official photo every two years, probably. Ultimately I don't see why not; we have other photos of famous people at different points in their lives, it's just that these two are public domain and thus free for us to use. --Dhartung | Talk 05:39, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

It seems odd to have two photos of him where one would do for such a short article, but beyond that the message it conveys (and I don't mean that this was intentional) seems POV. It's almost as though the article makes fun of (or overnotes) his former girth. While that might be appropriate for public figures like Oprah, I don't think it makes sense for Jackson, who is not on TV all the time like his father. (Also, given his surgery, I don't think he'll gain it back.) --Chaser (T) 06:13, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

I certainly didn't intend it that way -- if anything in making the edit I had complimentary thoughts in mind. Of course I tried to write it in an NPOV way. The sad fact about the surgery is that it is not universally and permanently effective (as indicated, in my experience), although he appears to be doing well about a year later now. I've heard it described as 10 times harder than quitting smoking. Anyway ... Jackson is certainly a public figure in Chicago, and for those who don't see him, reading about his weight loss and seeing only one picture seems like you're only getting half the story. That's where I come into some articles -- I see an obvious question unanswered. Ultimately the article could stand some beefing up, as he's mentioned as a potential future Mayor of Chicago. If the article had more concrete information, this factoid wouldn't stand out so much. --Dhartung | Talk 06:39, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

seems like you're only getting half the story Good point. Let's leave the picture. I'll put this page on my project list and hopefully expand it some. --Chaser (T) 06:47, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

You know what would be pretty sweet....If Barack Obama wins the presidential nomination that Jesse Jackson Jr Would be his runing mate for Vice-pressident. That would be sweet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.96.172.5 (talk) 15:18, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Personal unsubstantiated opinion would be that he becomes a cabinet member and Sandi Jackson take his seat in Congress. I am starting a wild rumor with this specualation though.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 14:19, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

More unofficial rumor mongering: I could see his article expanding with a promotion to the United States Cabinet in any of these positions: Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, Secretary of Education, Secretary of Health and Human Services, and Secretary of Labor.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 01:33, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

I should clarify my joke by saying that the cabinet positions I think his political interests would most naturally propel him toward would be the above.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 03:30, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Other Information

needs to be merged/prosified within the article in order to forbid trivial information in order to gain a GA status. miranda 02:03, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Thx.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 06:46, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Final GA Review comments

I have reorganized the 2006+ section along the lines of 2001-06. I've shifted other material around - his martial arts enthusiasm and his spat in Congress has gone into Personal, and a couple of items in the personal section have been repositioned in political sections. This article has a life of its own - it's grown to over 6,300 words, and I've no doubt you have more stuff up your sleeve. So I'm calling a halt to this review.

The article is in my view of GA standard. Ideally I would like to give it a thorough copyedit, because I don't think that the prose is quite right yet. I did a bit of editing when I was shifting stuff around, but it needs a lot more. Also, if it was up to me, I'd look for a way of losing a thousand words of text. The reason is, as I indicated before, there's a lot more mileage in Jesse Jr's career so the article is bound to expand, perhaps (anticipating Obama's victory in November) quite soon. Although I understand your desire to have as much of his career recorded as possible, I'm not sure a Wikipedia article is the best means for this. Perhaps you should write a biography.

So we disagree on certain things but that hasn't stopped us working things out. I am sure that the article is a lot better than it was when the review started. On to peer review, then, and I shall be interested to see how that debate develops.

As a matter of formality: the article passes all six GA criteria. Four of these are shoo-ins - verifiability, breadth, stability and images. As to the other two, the article is well-written enough to pass, but I think the prose could be improved. Also there is danger to readabilty in the presentation of too many facts. As to neutrality, the article's tone is very supportive of Jackson Jr, without clearly breaching POV in my view, but others might feel differntly.

I'm off to promote the article now. Good luck for its future. Brianboulton (talk) 00:09, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

I have archived the detailed GA discussion. Brianboulton (talk) 17:09, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WP:OR concerns

At WP:NORN I was told that if no other source is available, I could use biographical information contained in A More Perfect Union: Advancing New American Rights as a source of last resort for early biographical detail.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 13:03, 29 May 2008 (UTC)