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[edit] Rajasthani language page

Hi Jeroenvrp, please do not change the page contents about Rajasthani language and its dialects. I am confident you do not know even the out of Rajasthnai language. Read Grierson and other linguists mentioned on the page. I hope you will not vandalize the contents gathered with a great difficulty. --Chepovsky (talk) 20:45, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Excuse me!? I did change it according Etnologue and included a valid source. How dare you to call it vandalism!? --Jeroenvrp (talk) 22:26, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Dear Editor: Rajasthani is a language and not a language cluster as per your editing. Ethnologue, a Christian group conducted material, though, a commendable job, is not supported as any field workert who is a a native linguist. Ethnologue is free to write what is likes but it cannot ignore the fact that G.A. Grierson was the linguist(1898-1924) who produceda separate volume(Vol VIII, Part II) titled "Rajasthani" wherein he says it is a language and not a cluster of languages or dialects. I do not know whether you are an authority(linguist) on Rajasthani language or not but, humbly I say, the material produced here by many on this page about Rajasthani language is in consonance with the long bibliography given on the same page. For the sake of clarity, I can definitely say, the Ethnolog still thinks in early twenties, at least about the status of Rajasthani language. I can say it because I have been working on this language and its dialects for more than two decades and also a native speaker of this language plus having masters and doctoral degrees in linguistics by working on this language and a teacher at Hopkins. My link is here: http://apps.sais-jhu.edu/faculty_bios/faculty_bio1.php?ID=283 If you have any questions about this language, I will be happy to answer them. But do not get swayed away by this religious-turned-libral-turned-socalled "authentic-academic" document. I, as a are the field linguist on this language and know the reality and do not think I have to learn from this "ethnologue" to classify and analyze my mother-tongue.Regards. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.145.193.209 (talk) 17:41, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

1. I am absolutely not a Christian, so I am not biased in this matter at all.
2. Ethnologue is a recognized source of linguistic information (also here on Wikipedia) and they update their information every year; so it's your POV to call Ethnologue using old methods from the twenties.
3. I told you to add the other theories you have found, including valid (up-to-date/recent) source .
4. I don't care if you say that you claim to be an expert on this subject, anyone can claim that. Please provide valid sources, like I did. Also remember that native Rajasthani experts (like most ethnic groups and nationalities) can be biased, because of political motifs, but that is my personal POV.
5. I revert you again and hopefully you follow my advise or I have to consult a sysop. --Jeroenvrp (talk) 17:59, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kashmir region

What the heck are you trying to do dude?? You can't just change the name of a page without discussion on the talk page, especially a page that has been around for some time. I don't care what the UN says or doesn't say, "Jammu and Kashmir" is the name of a state in India, the reason why the name of the page was chosen to be "Kashmir region" was to clearly distinguish it from the Indian state. OK? Fowler&fowler«Talk» 07:26, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

No, the UN is the one who decides, not you, not Pakistan, not India. I gave the most reliable source. If you or someone else have a better source, be my guest. Jeroenvrp 10:43, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Apology

Hi Jeroenvrp, I am very sorry for being uncivil earlier—I got confused first, and then frustrated with the mess I created by trying to move the page back. I have replied to your post on the Kashmir region talk page. Regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 14:25, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Apologies accepted. I also like to give my apology to dive into the English Wikipedia like I normally do on the Dutch Wikipedia. There people know me very well, on this Wikipedia this not the case and properly will never be the case. --Jeroenvrp 15:31, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Disputed fair use rationale for Image:PlanetSMALL.JPG

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[edit] Totoli language

Hi Jereonvrp - I noticed the change you made to the Totoli language page concerning the link to the Joshua Project. I added that link only because of the information on the page, which is largely dedicated to Totoli and has no prostelyzing on it itself, except for a link. Isn't it only spam if the intention was to direct traffic to the webite for the benefit of the site owner? I know the Joshua Project is controversial, and I don't necessarily agree with what they do (in fact, I don't), but it is a resource. I'm going to go ahead and leave it the way it is because it doesn't add much. I just wanted to point out it is a valid resource link and not a link trying to sell or push something. Gelukkige uitgeven! (sorry for the mangled Dutch) Paxsimius (talk) 21:20, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Please see the discussion on Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Ethnic_groups#Blanking_of_links. --Jeroenvrp (talk) 22:14, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
Well, after reading the discussion I still can't say I agree with it. It seems a little heavy-handed and completely disregards any good the resource may have only because of a disagreement with their overall goal. But I'm not going to get into any arguments here; agree to disagree? Paxsimius (talk) 04:33, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Agressive Christian Evangelistic Spam Link

With regard to your removal of the Joshua Project links in the ethnic groups, I contempled the same predicament when I put the links in. I didn't put the links in to spam the ethnic group articles. In fact, I felt very uncomfortable including them, except for the fact that they had a better head-count and descrtiption of the different ethnicities than anyone else out there, in fact way better then ethnalogue. I used the links to create the articles. Agreed, their motives are spammy. The sole reason they're compiling the data is so that they can "spam" the natives with their religeon. However, to put their data (which is the best around) in the articles without quoting them would be plagerism. Their data should be included because it is analagous to a "business record exception" to heresay in law. They counted and studied the population of Southeast Asia as a means to convert them to Christianity. Their figures are an unbiased, accurate description of the ethnic groups, because they took the data as accurately as possible so they could better convert them. I don't want them to succeed in their conversion, but their data, aside from original research by an editor, is about as accurate as it gets. If we knock out the references, we should at least put their name as a source, as the only two alternatives are to plagerise or to delete their data, which is by far, the best available.Kevin Borland, Esq. (talk) 07:32, 27 January 2008 (UTC) (agnostic)

[edit] Christian spamlinks?

Hi! Please visit my last edits in "Demographics" of Japan about Religions in Japan. Do you think it was Christian spamlinks? Thanks!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Japan#Christian_spamlinks

Angelo De La Paz (talk) 14:48, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] More Christian spamlink

Hi!

Let's see the last reverted version by 124.177.165.82. Should it be delete? Angelo De La Paz (talk) 19:12, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Why don't you judge it yourself? --Jeroenvrp (talk) 16:54, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

I think it's true Christian spamlink! But I think you have more rights to delete or keep it! Thank you so much!Angelo De La Paz (talk) 19:09, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't understand why I have more "rights" to delete or keep it. Can you please explain yourself further? --Jeroenvrp (talk) 00:43, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Usurpation

Thanks for letting me know, but only bureaucrats can handle renaming requests, unfortunately you'll have to wait for one to check the request. Sorry that I can't be of any more use! RichardΩ612 Ɣ ɸ 17:47, May 27, 2008 (UTC)

OK, I thought you were handling the request as a bureaucrat. I will wait. --Jeroenvrp (talk) 18:02, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
I've completed your request. Please recreate your global account as soon as possible. Regards — Dan | talk 01:24, 28 May 2008 (UTC)