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[edit] Ace in the Hole (1951 film)

Hello,

You deleted the link I placed in the Ace in the Hole film page and wrote it was a "vanity link." Maybe this is common practice, but I felt your action was unfair. I placed the link there for people looking for more information and analysis on the film. I had noticed that the page for the film Scarlet Street had a link and enjoyed reading it so I figured others might have the same reaction to my own link to Ace in the Hole. It was not intended for "vanity" at all. I'm very proud of the link and felt it worthy of being placed for others to learn more about the film. Is that not what an external link should achieve?

Hello, User:Clydefro.
It is indeed "common practice" on Wikipedia to remove links to a site that are added by the person who created or runs the site, or somehow has a vested interest in that site. The reasoning behind this is that a Web author is not the best judge of the "notability" of his or her site. If a site is truly notable then someone other than the site's author will think so and link to it. For example, even though I think that my site on TV criticism (www.tvcrit.com) has notable information to add to numerous TV articles, I recognize that I have a vested interested in tvcrit.com and thus I do not link to it.
Wikipedia used to refer to an author linking to his/her own sites as "vanity" linking or "spam" linking--much as a "vanity press" publishes works written by the owner of the press. I went over to check on this Wikipedia policy just now and see that they've renamed it "conflict of interest". The principle remains the same, however.
I see you undid or "reverted" my deletion of your links. I don't believe in engaging in "revert wars" and won't delete it again, but you should know that some Wikipedia editors are very pugnacious about deleting conflict-of-interest links (I'll stop calling them "vanity links" now!). If you continue linking to your own site, you'll find the links will often be deleted.
And in a final bit of Wikipedia etiquette, you are encouraged to sign comments by placing --~~~~ at the end of them. It'll result in something like, --Jeremy Butler 13:34, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Office (US)

Hi Jeremy,
I was wondering if you could give me a reply over on The Office (US) talk page regarding external linking. I've been scratching my head over this for a few different articles and the Wikipedia style guide doesn't specifically help me. Any suggestions are appreciated :) Mrtea (talk) 03:30, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Template:television-screenshot

I was just checking out your template... it looks like a good idea, but I realized it's nothing official yet. Maybe you could start a discussion on the copyright tags page about it to see what the concensus is. If it goes over well, we could get it listed as an option for Licensing when uploading images. Mrtea (talk) 20:04, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing me to copyright tags. I found there is already a template for TV: {{tv-screenshot}}! I didn't find it previously because I had searched for TV (capitalized!) and "television". In any event, we should use {{tv-screenshot}}, fer shure! --Jeremy Butler 20:19, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] A long-delayed answer

Wikipedia_talk:Disambiguation_and_abbreviations#Where_does_one_find_Wiki_abbreviations.3F Cheers! Chris the speller 17:22, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Film/television stills

After thinking about this a bit, I think that you're right. I'll undo my changes to the tv/film screenshot templates shortly. Cheers, JYolkowski // talk 03:25, 7 February 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Videography

I've made reverts and left a message on User talk:Bob Kiger. Apparently he never got the welcome mat! --AlexWCovington (talk) 05:05, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kwapis Formatting

Personally the image cutting into the first section doesn't bother me. I prefer that to the large amount of blank space. I haven't come across any guideline regarding this particular situation. If you think the other way is better then go ahead and change it, it's not a big deal to me. Qutezuce 20:05, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wilmette History

I don't remember what my sources were. If there are errors, feel free to correct them. I'm not going to contest it since I'm no Wilmette expert. --flyhighplato 20:12, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AfD vote

Hi, Since you are an experienced editor who has edited articles about acting in the past, I'm asking if you could take a look at this AfD regarding Jason Bennett. This article was posted by an editor who claims that he is one of the great acting teachers, but to me it sounds like an advertisement. SInce I am not an actor I am only able to judge based on the claims the article makes, since I cannot find ANY third-party sources regarding his notability, only listings in commercial directories of acting schoools. If you have the time, your vote and comment would be appreciated. Thank you, Marcuse 16:01, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Alabama Public Radio and user namespace

I see you deleted the link to a user namespace in Alabama Public Radio. I haven't seen this before. Is there a Wikipedia policy against linking to user namespaces? What might be the rationale behind that? Thanks any further clarification. --Jeremy Butler 15:38, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't know of a settled policy in this area, but WP:SELF covers very similar ground: article pages shouldn't contain links that are specific to the fact that the article is part of Wikipedia. That you are a Wikipedia user may be significant while that article is in Wikipedia, but is irrelevant if the article is copied to another site, printed out, or what-have-you. Of course, if you're sufficiently notable, there should be a page at Jeremy Butler about you. --bjh21 16:42, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pre-Code

Again, who the hell do you think you are to gut sourced and cited edits to pre-Code movies as "too long"?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.19.67.28 (talk • contribs)

  • Hi again, Robert! - Ali-oops✍ 06:31, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cinematography

Jeremy - wow, thank you so much for the cleanup on the Cinematography article. I had been sweating over that in several phases yesterday and your clean up is extremely helpful. You're right - still much more work to be done. Also still struggling with what information belongs in Cinematography as opposed to Cinematographer. Thanks for your contributions. Another couple passes and we'll get this thing into much better shape. LACameraman 17:50, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Jeremy - I saw that you just recently reorganized the Cinematography article. No real issues with the new flow, but I also saw that you cut the passage on digital imaging - you feel this is something more suited for the Cinematographer article? I've been debating that myself. LACameraman 21:47, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Filmmaking

Hey, I decided to finally get together and try to start a WikiProject for Filmmaking. Currently the temporary page is User:Girolamo Savonarola/wikiproject until I have a few more editors - enough to justify making it into a proper Project. Anyhow, just wanted to invite you to participate, and of course offer any comments you may have on the project. Thanks! (PS - don't forget to sign here as well.) Girolamo Savonarola 20:41, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Woody Mellor" AKA Joe Strummer

This is pretty common knowledge to many Clash/Strummer fans. He's acknowledged as "Woody" on the back of the 101'ers Album "Elgin Avenue Breakdown," the 101'ers of course being Joe's pre-Clash band. Jlee562 05:24, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I see. Interesting! --Jeremy Butler 11:59, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tuscaloosa

Hey Jeremy, Thank you for admiting my site www.JobsTuscaloosa.com to the list of external links on the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuscaloosa%2C_Alabama page. I can understand why you removed the link to www.SchoolsInTuscaloosa.com. It is a nearly empty message board. I've had a lot of difficulty getting any kind of traffic flowing to the site therefore there are very few discussions on it. The jobs site has begun to pick up a little momentum though. As far as I know, it is the only place where one can post Tuscaloosa jobs for free. Dan Sullivan - Tuscaloosa, Alabama 09:36, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sound film/aesthetics

Hi, Jeremy. I'll take it point by point:

(1) As it stands, the article doesn't claim that L'Âge d'or experiments singificantly with sound, but simply that it is the first instance of the medium of sound cinema judged to be of great aesthetic import, in whatever way--in this case, as one of the signal examples of the surrealist movement. I don't believe there's anything controversial in how it's currently represented.

(2) Le Million does have a place in the discussion as an important early commercial sound film that indeed experiments aesthetically with audio. Would you like to take a stab at it? Or I can...

(3) I'm not clear how you would go about contrasting the "masterpieces" of the late silent cinema with "more pedestrian works of the early sound era" in a way that would be less subjective than what's there now...which compares apples to apples: during the span 1927-1931, there were many more works of art widely regarded as great in the realm of silent cinema than in sound cinema. Before M, the best of the silents were much better than the best of the sound films. That's pretty straightforward and again, I think, not controversial. Comparing the best of the silents to the mediocrities of sound (a) doesn't seem fair and (b) elides the fact that most silent films--like most sound films of any age--were also mediocre...as we would expect in any creative industry. But maybe you've got a different angle on this. I look forward to hearing about it.

Best, Dan—DCGeist 22:38, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] attempting to edit template infobox television

Hi . I appreciate your work in adding more categories to the template. Television and television industry staff have had a significant impact on American culture. I am having a doozy of a time entering theme music composer to the television infobox. I tried to add it on the syntax section of template:infobox television and my edit did not result in the addition of theme music composer. Any tips? Thanks. Dogru144 14:14, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

From looking at that template, I see that someone else helped you out. Regards, --Jeremy Butler 12:13, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Documentary film

Why did you insert words like "poop" on the page? That doesn't seem like you. --Scottandrewhutchins 19:44, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Woops. I reverted some edits back to the wrong version. --Jeremy Butler 16:38, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bringing Up Baby

Hi, your vast experience may be able to help save Image:Bringing up baby.jpg. A look at its edit history will show you that your claim that it is not a screenshot gave rise to its current status on the deletion list. Maybe you can help, for example by providing the necessary "source information", something I am unable to do.

As deadlines seem to become shorter with every new year (only 48 hours now), something would have to be done about it right now.

Thanks in advance, and all the best, <KF> 18:45, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

And thanks for the explanation! <KF> 15:07, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lowell George

I vaguely remembered something about him being on F Troop, so I searched "Lowell George F Troop" on google.com. The first hit is a you tube clip of his appearance in the show if you want to check it out! (John User:Jwy talk) 15:49, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup tags

Just thought I'd let you know, "cleanup-date" is now simply "cleanup". Rgds, Rich Farmbrough, 09:03 6 February 2007 (GMT).

[edit] League of Copyeditors

Hi there! I came across your edits and noticed that you do a fair amount of copy-editing. I'm a member of the League of Copyeditors, a project dedicated to managing the sizable backlog of articles needing a copy-edit. We're always looking for new members, and you'd make a great addition to the project! We've started a participation drive for the remainder of February. If you're interested, you can help clear the backlog by adopting the following goals each week:

Thanks, and happy editing! BuddingJournalist 08:06, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of single-camera sitcoms

I see you created the article List of single-camera sitcoms with an entry for Rude Awakenings. This is the title of a new comedy/drama series which has just started in New Zealand, and unless you had some inside knowledge that it was in production, I assume you meant a different program of the same name, or perhaps Rude Awakening (TV series). Can you fix or disambiguate it, since I'm not sure what the correct action is. Thanks.-gadfium 00:33, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ellis Paul FAC

Hi Jeremy. Was searching around trying to find other persons interested in folk music and was pleased to find you (since I've run across your name before - we may have even communicated via e-mail in the past). I'm relatively new to Wikipedia - got involved to enhance the Ellis Paul article. Had NO idea what I was getting myself into.  :-) Received the GA rating on 1-25-07 and nominated the article for FA on 2-8-07. So far so good. Please take a look and, if you're willing and able, offer your support. Thanks! (If the Ellis Paul article goes all the way...or I should say *when* it goes all the way) I may start to work on some others.....since folk musicians are sadly so under-represented.) Kmzundel 01:55, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Guthrie Anecdote (Philadelphia Lawyer)

The source for the Guthrie anecdote is liner notes for the 4 Cd set of the Moses Asch recordings. Since I do not own the set I did not put down the exact source. If looked up the source would it be valid? Do I need have a page number and an exact quote? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Thomasgwilson (talk • contribs) 14:33, 27 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] CFD

Because of your edit history, I thought you might be interested in contributing to this deletion discussion. Thanks. Mermaid from the Baltic Sea 03:50, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Redlinks

Hi Jeremy. I left a comment/question on Talk:Suffragette about your removal of red links... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Smobri (talk • contribs) 15:10, 11 May 2007 (UTC).

Oops! Forgot to sign! --Smobri 15:11, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Postman_24.jpg listed for deletion

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[edit] WikiProject Radio

You might be interested in joining the Radio WikiProject. --PhantomS 06:38, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Persistence of vision and movie camera

Jeremy, I noticed that you did some cleanup on the movie camera article, most of which was uniformly impeccable. I'm a little confused, however, as to the edits regarding persistence of vision. I'm not an expert on the subject, and I see that you went out of your way to even provide a reference, but being as the supposed phenomenon is a physiological and not aesthetic event, I would be more comfortable if the references regarding this are more scientific in their background, and preferably several to show some consensus. As far as I am aware, the persistence of vision article itself does not mention its would-be discrediting, for what it's worth. Do you think it might be possible for you to produce some scientific references? Many thanks, Girolamo Savonarola 17:48, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Girolamo. Thank you for your comment.

You say,

the supposed phenomenon is a physiological and not aesthetic event, I would be more comfortable if the references regarding this are more scientific in their background, and preferably several to show some consensus.

In the article I reference, one section begins[1]

...researchers in several disciplines were pursuing problems in their own fields which would inadvertently shed light upon problems such as the phenomenon of motion in the motion picture.

The authors then discuss the various evidence (including clinical evidence) discrediting persistence of vision and suggesting other explanations for the illusion of motion. Is this the sort of scientific references you're looking for? Also, that article was published by the Center for Cognitive Studies of the Moving Image, which is concerned with the scientific study (as in cognitive psychology) of physiological phenomena such as this.

Do you know of scientific evidence that supports the theory of persistence of vision?

Also, regarding

As far as I am aware, the persistence of vision article itself does not mention its would-be discrediting, for what it's worth.

That article mentions its discrediting in the second paragraph:

Although psychologists and physiologists have rejected the relevance of this theory to film viewership, film academics and theorists generally have not. Some scientists nowadays consider the entire theory a myth.

And it references the CCSMI article. So, I was just trying to make the two articles consistent.

Regards,

--Jeremy Butler 11:38, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Art Carney

It was my intention to eventually cite ten different radio series with Carney performances. If mentioning one is "too much detail," we'll never get off the launch pad! Pepso2 13:50, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Please see my response on your user page. --Jeremy Butler 12:03, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
A good reorganization. There was a real problem with the way Carney info was (once) scattered about there. This seems to happen with more popular subjects when newcomers add misc. facts in a random manner. On the other hand, I'm just getting a handle on cleaning and reorganizing Mary Ford which had a scattered attempt at a profile loosely assembled by only one person! Pepso2 12:14, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Monument Valley

Hello, why did You delete my home movies "In the Monument Valley"? I think it is very interesting for everyone, to see inside a hogan. And: Everyone criticizes: There are to little videos in Wikipedia! I had seen, this is not the first time, You deleted a film. Why? R. Engelhardt 15:25, 30. July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mad Men

Hello! Wanted to thank you for your copyediting efforts. Also, do you think that maybe we could get a reference for the thing about the anachronism with the IBM Selectric? I've heard about people talking about that as well, no argument there, but it looks like original research until we can get it sourced. Cliff smith 22:26, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes I agree. It's gone. Cliff smith 01:05, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] CfD nomination of Category:Film studies journals

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[edit] RE: Wagon Master

Howdy,

I noticed that you deleted some of the material that I had put in Wagon Master, while I did have citations for 100% of it. But, why did you remove the Wikilinki's to Mormon and Elder? The beauty of Wikipedia is that, because it is not a paper based encyclopedia or a software version on CD that you download on your computer, you can link articles together. Now you know what a Mormon is, and I might, but what about the 10 year old boy in France, or China, or New Zealand? What about the person in Nigeria that wants to learn? Pretend that you are reading an article, then you see something that you don't know what it is, and then being immediately able to go to another article, that you don't know what it is, to learn about that important person, place, or thing. This is one of the most valuable things about Wikipedia, and one of its most important advantages over other types of encyclopedias.

WikiDon 05:03, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

I noticed that you deleted some of the material that I had put in Wagon Master, while I did have citations for 100% of it.
From just beneath the Wikipedia edit box: "Do not copy text from other websites without a GFDL-compatible license. It will be deleted."
I didn't copy anything, I wrote the original sentences from sources, and cited those sources.
But, why did you remove the Wikilinki's to Mormon and Elder?
I wasn't removing Wikilinks, per se; I was removing redundant character names. The character names are unnecessary in the lead paragraph as they're listed in the plot. In fact, most movie articles do not include character names in the lead. Please feel free to add Wikilinks to Mormon in the article's plot section.
I'll put in the links, thanks.
The beauty of Wikipedia is that, because it is not a paper based encyclopedia or a software version on CD that you download on your computer, you can link articles together. Now you know what a Mormon is, and I might, but what about the 10 year old boy in France, or China, or New Zealand? What about the person in Nigeria that wants to learn? Pretend that you are reading an article, then you see something that you don't know what it is, and then being immediately able to go to another article, that you don't know what it is, to learn about that important person, place, or thing. This is one of the most valuable things about Wikipedia, and one of its most important advantages over other types of encyclopedias.
For my Wikipedia editing credentials, please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jeremy_Butler
--Jeremy Butler 11:37, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
No need to copy and paste, just leave a message on my page saying that you replied here, make it easy on you.
Happy editing,
WikiDon 11:52, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Sorry about the copyright quotation. I mixed this article up with another one I was editing that had a lot of copyrighted material in it. --Jeremy Butler 16:44, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bonanza

Do you know the name of the person who did the charcoal(?) drawings that were used for the credits on the TV show Bonanza? WikiDon 01:12, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Good question! No, sure don't. --Jeremy Butler 01:26, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
I think it is just about the best part of the show. Is there anyway to find out? You have a lot more resources than I do. WikiDon

[edit] Breathless Competeing Translations

Nice edit on my work on the Breathless article. The section is much more concise. Hopefully i will find the time to make some more additions to the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chimpcadet (talk • contribs) 21:24, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Roaring Twenties

I've gotten fed up with this unreferenced vandalism by anons on the article so I've semi-protected it for two weeks. Ben W Bell talk 03:42, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Good idea. --Jeremy Butler 03:46, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


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