Talk:Jersey Dutch

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**NOTE: "It was sometimes called Neger Duits - "Negro Dutch" - when spoken by mixed race people."

'Neger Duits' Means Negro German. NOT Negro Dutch. That would be Neger Nederlands/Hollands. Duits is Dutch for German.

Duits means in German in modern Dutch, but as recently as WWII, it was a bit more ambiguous in usage, refering to both at times. This usage is still present in the Dutch national anthem. The reason the Pennsylvania Dutch are called Dutch, even though they have nothing to do with Holland, is because until the 19th century the English word Dutch, the Dutch word Duits, and the German word Deutsch still referred to Germanic peoples from northern contenental Europe without special national reference. There is some reference to this shift in meaning at Dietsch. --Diderot 16:11, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

The Dutch national anthem actually refers to the Duits/German blood in the sense that Orange-Nassau is originally German. Mallerd 21:10, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

The German nativity of William of Orange was a special case. He inherited this title from his uncle Rene of Chalon, who belonged to the Dutch Nassaus. Ad43 (talk) 09:05, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pennsylvania Dutch

Could someone elaborate the relationship between Jersey Dutch and Pennsylvania Dutch? Did they arise as two different dialects or were they one language divided by a river? 70.15.116.59 (talk) 17:55, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

As the article states, Pennsylvania Dutch is of german origin. Jersey Dutch is from Dutch. Ad43 (talk) 09:05, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm, maybe I should ask a different question. The new American colonies were mostly English-speaking, with a small minority of settlers from Holland still holding on to the Dutch language. Then comes a wave of immigrants from the Palatine region in western Germany - about as far away from Holland as New Jersey is from Pennsylvania, at a time when Dutch vs. German was much less differentiated. So... what happened? Did the German and Dutch communities mix freely, mix partially, or remain entirely separate? Did the Dutch stay only in New Jersey while all the Germans moved on to Pennsylvania, or was there substantial overlap? 70.15.116.59 (talk) 17:34, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

It's somewhat off the top of my head, but I guess the latter. I think, different from the English, colonists, settlers and immigrants like the Dutch and Germans stuck much to their own territories and their own customs and/or religious communities. They were far less in number and had no outspoken imperialist objectives in these new areas. Ad43 (talk) 23:17, 10 January 2008 (UTC)