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[edit] Vandal Attack

Theres some vandals changing the salarys of high people in the search engine area, like directors and CEO's pages on Wiki. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.136.60.196 (talk) 21:35, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

I reverted this overcorrection of his middle name from Chih-Yuan to Chih-yüan. Just because he was born Taiwanese, it doesn't mean his name is in standard Wade-Giles. See -- for example, this email, which includes his full name, from his own email address. --Menchi 23:41, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] China/Politics/Yahoo

In the article, this section seems inappropriate:

  • In 2005, Yahoo! was criticized for identifying Chinese dissident journalist Shi Tao to Chinese authorities, resulting in his receiving a 10-year jail sentence. Yang commented, "To be doing business in China, or anywhere else in the world, we have to comply with local law." Whether Yahoo! was legally obliged to reveal the information is a matter of dispute.

Anyone concur? --Overand 11:41, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What happened to the page?

Why doesn't the article show the early life and career sections? It looks perfectly fine when in editing mode but in the preview or when saved these two sections don't show. --wil osb 04:38, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jerry Yang CEO of Yahoo! Inc/ Jerry Yang 2007 WSOP Champion

I think this should had been discussed first. I don't think is best to make this main space "Jerry Yang" into a disambiguous page.

If people believe it otherwise, then it should be done via page move to preserve the article/talk page history, as it affect "what link here",But I don't think should be done at all 1.) there already a DA link at the top of the article. and 2). the co-founder and CEO of Yahoo (Jerry Yang) is the clearly most notable of the two. ▪◦▪≡ЅiREX≡Talk 20:18, 18 July 2007 (UTC) Note there is now a clone of this page called Jerry Yang (entrepreneur) which I'm listing for speedy delete due that it wasn't created via Page page move ▪◦▪≡ЅiREX≡Talk 20:25, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 17:07, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Political dissidents and Jerry Yang

I believe the political dissidents should be included on the see also page because Mr. Yang has publicly defended Yahoo's actions, which resulted in the imprisonment of these men. Later, when standing before a United States subcommittee Jerry Yang publicly and personally apologized for his actions to the families of Shi Tao and Wang Xiaoning.

Both of whom are serving prison sentences after having their personal information turned over to the Chinese government. Separately the chief counsel for Yahoo apologized for his own inability to be 100% forthcoming.

Yahoo was separately sued and settled the cases. Although Mr. Yang is now personally apologetic and willing to pay the families only after being dragged before the United States Congress it would be a disservice to all of the men rotting in prison to allow their names to be separated from the man who fervently defended the actions of his company.

Mr. Yang publicly defended his actions under the guise of obeying local laws, although the company was based in Hong Kong and did not have to comply with the laws of mainland China. In addition, violating basic human rights and supporting the imprisonment of journalists is a decision that warrants mention in his biography along with the names of those journalists who were effected by it.

These men are in prison cells for exercising their unalienable right to freedom of speech. And we're now debating the censorship of this information on Wikipedia. Jerry Yang wants the world to forget, but we must never forget.

Listed below are some articles that reference the above statements:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/11/13/yahoo_settles_lawsuit_from_jailed_chinese_journalists/

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119397554940080261.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/afx/2006/03/28/afx2626417.html

Lordvolton (talk) 02:07, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

There is no indication, however, that Yang was personally involved with the decision. With that being the case, and the topic being adequately covered in Yahoo!, I see no reason to include additional links here. Further, even if the links are arguendo relevant as to Yang, they are not, even based on your reasoning above, relevant as to David Filo, which you've also insisted on including the links for. In the past, the consensus appears to be not including the links (although I can be wrong on this) either in Yang's or Filo's article. Obviously, that can be changed by consensus. --Nlu (talk) 02:13, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Your conclusion might be defensible if he hadn't publicly defended Yahoo's actions, which makes him personally responsible. And that is probably why he was summoned before Congress and took personal responsibility and apologized. Jerry Yang said "I'm sorry" because he was, in fact, personally involved. He's also the founder and CEO of the company.
It's hardly arguendo. It's undisputed fact.
I think there needs to be a consensus NOT to include the names. Staff members of Yahoo or those with personal relationships to Jerry Yang should not included in any consensus. You're presuming the assumption is that the imprisoned dissidents shouldn't be included, which is something I find very troubling. You need to share with us a better reason why you wouldn't want the dissidents included beyond your personal take on the matter which interestingly doesn't include citation to any sources other than your personal opinion.
You indicated you have no relationship to Yahoo, Yang, or Filo. I'm taking your word on it. But if this drags on I'll be double checking to make sure Yahoo isn't pulling any fast ones, which would be a media circus all by itself. The last thing Jerry Yang and Yahoo needs is negative publicity surrounding people trying to cover up their misdeeds. Lordvolton (talk) 06:12, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Absent any support for the removal of the list of dissidents I'm reposting it.Lordvolton (talk) 23:27, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] RfC on whether links to jailed dissidents should be in article

I don't think they should be see also links. They should be incorporated into the Criticism section or removed. --Michael WhiteT·C —Preceding comment was added at 14:57, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Misgivings regarding NLU's actions

I find it interesting that after erasing the list of dissidents NLU defended his unilateral action by stating he was looking for "consensus". Presumably this was from those who are editors of the page, rather than simply attempting to get a straw vote from third parties to support an attempt to suppress any connection between Jerry Yang and jailed dissidents.

When there wasn't a single editor who stood up to form the consensus he hoped would occur he decided to search for a consensus that doesn't exist. That being said, he claims no connection to Yang, Filo, or Yahoo.

I'm still taking him at his word that his efforts to disassociate Yang's name from the victims of his company's policies is not a self-serving attempt to defend a legal client or a personal friend.

Lordvolton (talk) 14:59, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

I find it interesting that you're ignoring the other editors who also found the links to be not relevant, as can be seen from the article's edit history. Please discuss. --Nlu (talk) 16:17, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
Here is the dictionary definition of the word relevant, "bearing upon or connected with the matter in hand; pertinent."
Jerry Yang is the CEO of and co-founder of Yahoo. He publicly defended his corporation's actions regarding specific incidents. He made himself relevant (connected to the matter) when he decided to issue press releases and publicly defend the actions of his company. He stood before a Congressional subcommittee and personally apologized.
Recently, in an attempt to make up for past sins, he wrote a letter to Condoleezza Rice asking for her intervention on behalf of the jailed dissidents. Ironically he was also sued by U.S. citizens who were affected by his past mistakes in China.
http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9881042-7.html?tag=newsmap
I applaud him for his change of heart.
The links to the jailed dissidents are highly relevant to the story that is Jerry Yang. If you want to know about Jerry Yang then the dissidents his company put into jail for 10 years, whom he vigorously defended, is part of the tale.
However, his recent efforts to make amends are also part of the unfolding story. That needs to be included as well.
Lordvolton (talk) 08:23, 28 February 2008 (UTC)