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IMHO, Wilson's defeat of Kathleen belongs on Wilson's page, or Kathleen's if she gets one, not on Moonbeam's. Gentgeen 11:43, 16 Jan 2004 (UTC)


Jerry Brown hasn't changed his party affiliation, but the election laws in California prohibit local politicians, like mayors, from running as members of a political party; therefore, it is inapproapate to refer to them as Democrat Mayor of Foo, or Republican Bar County Supervisor. Brown recenlty (earlier this month) filed the paperwork to run in the Democratic Party Primary for State Attorney General in 2006. Gentgeen 10:40, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)
There are a lot of jurisdictions that provide for "nonpartisan" elections. All it means is that the ballot does not list the party name. State or local law can't prevent you from being a member of a party or from saying that you are a member of a party (it would violate the First Amendment). Even though officials might be elected on "birdless" (nonpartisan) ballots, it's never incorrect to refer to their party affiliation, if they have one. In fact, officially nonpartisan elections at the city level are often the most partisan races. Acsenray 20:20, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Added in some more of J.B.'s academic credentials and included the fact that he had spent time training to be a Jesuit. Synthesis

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[edit] References

We ought to cite sources; since there is a ready-made bibliography, can someone confirm these books were used as sources in the article so they can be converted into references? Thanks. Johnleemk | Talk 12:39, 17 October 2005 (UTC)


why did someone try to strike the Barzhagi reference in the article "personal life"? Is this another example of a politician, or his staff, trying to "clean up' his wikipedia page? 01:04, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What's with the gossipy gay innuendos

I mean you got Edgar J. Hoover a major misses getting an expurgated page and jerry gets all the slander and a whole 4 line sentence of gossip about his sexual preference...shhhh..

There is no information to substantiate the "15 year relationship" of JB and Anne Gust yet presented. i just ask for the truth. Hank chapot 02:53, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Quotations

The list of quotations is getting rathre long, so we should problably move it over to Wikiquotes, leaving just a few here for flavor. -Will Beback 06:50, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I took the entire quotation section from just before your revert of 24 October 2006 to create Jerry Brown at Wikiquote. Argyriou (talk) 19:50, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

RE: I reposted some of the Brown quotes that are most interesting to the quotes section. It looks like they are better cited and more verifiable than some of the quotes on the page right now. The quotes that were not as well cited have been moved over to wikiquotes.


RE: Referring to comments made by User: Will Bebeck

1st of all, you moved my quotes that I put there in the first place which were all cited. 2nd, it isn't plagiarism if it is all in quotation marks and is cited correctly, unlike many of the quotes that were up there. It didn't come from the any campaign site. 3rd, I left up Jerry Brown quotes that were not negative and ones where he said items. It's wrong to remove content on your basis. If it is cited, it should be allowed to stay. You can try dispute the quote on the page but you shouldn't delete it if it is all factual. What you are doing is censoring information. Topps2010 00:01, 25 October 2006 (UTC)Topps2010

You first removed the quotations from Jerry Brown, then replaced then with a set of uniformly negative quotations from other people.[1] That isn't acceptable. NPOV applies. -Will Beback 00:19, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Is this a joke?

After law school, Brown worked as a law clerk for Mathew Tobriner, a justice for the Supreme Court of California, and studied in Mexico and Latin America

Where do you think Mexico is located?

[edit] California Uber Alles

Shouldn't the famous Dead Kennedys song be mentioned here? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.127.213.240 (talk) 17:50, 24 January 2007 (UTC).

Is yer fingers broked or sumthin? —XSG 05:21, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Haha Naw I'm just not good with Wikipedia. lol Brian951378246 23:09, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Twelve lines are devoted to "California Über Alles" by the band the Dead Kennedys. Is this supposed to be an important addition to the article? From what is said in the article, the song seems to be junk and garbage. I really don't want to read about such trash in a Wikipedia article about Jerry Brown. Lestrade 01:32, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not censored, and what you consider "trash", others consider important cultural commentary. The length of the discussion of the song is perhaps an example of placing undue weight on the song's critique of Brown's style and politics, especially since the song has its own article, but the song does deserve mention in this article. Argyriou (talk) 23:23, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm sure that it does. It's really informative to read about "…a bizarre hippie-fascist vision for America, in which his 'suede denim secret police' kill un-cool people with 'organic poison gas' chambers." You don't have to be thirteen years old to appreciate such visionary writing. "…[T]he line 'Now it is 1984' could refer to George Orwell's novel Nineteen Eighty-Four where the totalitarian regime suppresses the citizens' freedom, thus portraying Jerry Brown as Big Brother, i.e., a totalitarian leader. It may also refer to the year in which Brown is to be elected." Now that is deeply profound as well as being encyclopedic.Lestrade 00:32, 16 August 2007 (UTC)Lestrade
Yes! About twice the space is devoted to what Jello Biafra and the Dead Kennedys say about Brown than is devoted to the entire section "Radio Show Host". If this must be included, it should be trimmed back - way back. In keeping with the Era of Limits of the 21st Century, let us not waste space and computer storage on trivia. Writtenright 21:08, 5 September 2007 (UTC)Writtenright

I went ahead and removed all superfluous material that already is referenced in the songs own page. A link is sufficient. Dlabtot 00:01, 6 September 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Reason for deleting citations

To explain this revision:

The Fox News piece is about Brown blogging, and doesn't even mention '92. Brown is barely even mentioned in the Forward article The Cnet piece does mention Brown in the context of calling Dean's use of the Internet 'hardly new', but it doesn't say anything about Brown being 'able to tap a populist streak... the precursor to the (Dean campaign)'. Dlabtot 00:32, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] he moved

I'm on a committee with the property manger for the sears building, and she said he no longer lives there. I think he is still in Oakland though because I saw him outside oakland city hall the other day on his cell phone, and I understand he is running the AG's office out of Oaktown rather than Sactown. 68.238.129.24 (talk) 22:36, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Surplus?

"Brown was blamed for amassing, as Governor, a huge surplus in state coffers"

How is this a bad thing? Was there some ancient time where not having a gigantic deficit was considered a negative? 69.86.206.142 (talk) 23:27, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Those lines have had a -fact- tag on them for four months, therefore, I'm removing them. Dlabtot (talk) 18:01, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Picture

We should find a photo of him for the article, an abstract painting should never be used as someone's identifying picture.Scook2 (talk) 03:36, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree 100%. That picture is horrible to have in the infobox.--Jersey Devil (talk) 00:19, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
And I disagree 100%. It's a great picture. By the way, it is not an 'abstract' painting. As his official portrait as governor, it's obviously a representation that he approves of, so he, at least, does not believe it is unflattering or portrays him in a bad light. I say keep it. my 2 cents Dlabtot (talk) 00:45, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

We are talking about a man who was alive in the 20TH CENTURY which means PHOTOS of him should exist somewhere. Regardless of your comment on the quality of the painting, it doesn't belong at the top of an encyclopedia article. We need to replace it with a real picture. If you like the painting so much move it elsewhere. 71.76.205.168 (talk) 00:36, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

There used to be a photo of Brown somewhere; if it is usable, it should replace this. However, the painting is representational enough that one could recognize Brown after seeing the painting. Argyriou (talk) 00:45, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
I acknowledge your passion about this subject even though I do not share it; I simply expressed my opinion about the picture. I do like your suggestion though, if it is replaced with a photo it would be nice for the portrait to still appear in the article, or at least a link to it. Dlabtot (talk) 01:35, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

if the painting was his official portrait, it seems that it deserves to be in the article, even if a photo is the main picture. no wonder people thought he was bizarre. 24.98.225.16 (talk) 21:58, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] References needed

Most of the article lacks sources and citations so I added the references needed tag.User:calbear22 (talk) 18:09, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Claim-Jumpin' Jerry"

Where'd he get the nickname "Claim-jumpin' Jerry Brown?" Is that from his dad's days? What does that have to do with Jerry Brown? He was young when Folsom Dam was built; if his father and his predecessors used questionable tactics in gaining property holdings for dam construction, then that doesn't reflect upon Jerry Brown's political career. Unless they're talking about post-dam construction in and around Sacramento County.

Maybe it's Citrus Heights. Maybe there's more than one piece of land there that was taken from the owners rather forcefully. That's probably it.