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[edit] His greek name was absent

His greek name was abcent is his original form. Eυσέβιος is equivalent with the latin Pius, Σωφρόνιος means "sensibile" (sensible in English) , as Ιερόνυμος derives from greek ιερό (divinus in latin)therefore the one that has "divine name".

[edit] Distracting blank spaces

Formatting that encases the framed table of contents in text, in just the way a framed map or image is enclosed within the text, is now available: {{TOCleft}} in the HTML does the job.

Blank space opposite the ToC, besides being unsightly and distracting, suggests that there is a major break in the continuity of the text, which may not be the case. Blanks in page layout are voids and they have meanings to the experienced reader. The space betweeen paragraphs marks a brief pause between separate blocks of thought. A deeper space, in a well-printed text, signifies a more complete shift in thought: note the spaces that separate sub-headings in Wikipedia articles.

A handful of thoughtless and aggressive Wikipedians revert the "TOCleft" format at will. A particularly aggressive de-formatter is User:Ed g2s

The reader may want to compare versions at the Page history. --Wetman 20:28, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Removed versions of name: Jerome

Please note: Trier (p. 1) is located in the Rhone, not the Rhine.


I've removed a paragraph recouncting the versions for the name Jerome in various European languages. It was not to the point and, anyway, wasn't all that remarkable.

--Philopedia 13:21, 22 October 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Unreasoning obedience

"Unreasoning obedience" is a phrase used of the Jesuits in para.4 of the Theological Position section. Can it be justified from a NPOV?--shtove 10:17, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Links

Some of the links don't work very well like Paula. I think that we should clean up the links. Tom 04:01, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

It would be good to expand the references to Rufinus in Wiki and explain the disputes more. He was a few years older than Jerome,and was learned in the literature of the early church including Hebrew. He translated Eusebius Church History and the Clementine Recognitions, possibly Josephus which if circulated make any idea of Roman primacy impossible. Jerome attacked Eusebius, Origen, and the Clementine histories. Pope Damasus I was, according to Chadwick and other historians, the first 'pope' to use the Petrine texts for political power. There is very little about what the controversies were about and these are of huge importance in the history of religion in Europe. Rufinus was ordained by the Bishop of Jerusalem, whom Jerome also attacked as a heretic. Jerusalem was the headquarters of the church up to the time of the death of James, the brother of Jesus, and then via a long series of bishops of Jerusalem the bishoprick of worldwide primacy. This clearly came into conflict with Rome, which was hugely rich with the popes more wealthy than emperors. 80.201.194.102 12:10, 26 August 2007 (UTC)David

Links to Saint Paula and Tyrannius Rufinus have already been provided in the article.
I'm not sure what to make of your claim that Jerusalem Jerusalem was a bishoprick of worldwide primacy. What pope of Rome ever deferred to the bishop of Jerusalem? For that matter, what pope of Alexandria? Or Patriarch of Antioch? Or even Patriarch of Constantinople? The Patriarch of Jerusalem was the junior member of th Pentarchy. Your claim that the popes were richer than the emperers also seems farfetched. During the days of Innocent III maybe, but not during the days of Rufinus or Jerome. Rwflammang 04:12, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Victor of Tannuna?

Article says: "Jerome produced a valuable work, if only for the impulse which it gave to such later chroniclers as Prosper, Cassiodorus, and Victor of Tannuna to continue his annals.". All Google hits of "Victor of Tannuna" points to the Wikipedia or it's mirrors, so it would be nice to have some references to prove this person really existed. --ML 15:54, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Propably should be "Victor of Tunnuna". --ML 15:42, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jerome and the lion

St. Jerome is commonly depicted with a lion, sometimes pulling a thorn from its paw (see Androclus). I'm not sure what the legend or symbolism behind this is, though.

For an account, from a 10th-11th century Vita of Jerome, click here. Hagiographies are full of this kind of stuff, usually edited out for increased believability nowadays. Compare also Androcles. --Wetman 10:19, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jerome on the Web

Can we add some links to Jerome's writings and other sites on Jerome?Christian Askeland 16:39, 5 March 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Quote

I removed the following recently added purported quote from St. Jerome, as I could not verify it.

The Only good that comes from marriage is that it produces virgins.

AxelBoldt 03:04, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Bad paraphrase. The intended quote is actually "I praise marriage, but it is because they give me virgins." Jerome's Letter XXII to Eustochium, section 20 (on-line) Perhaps it could go back, corrected and sourced... --Wetman 14:14, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jérôme or Jerome

I think that his real name is "Jérôme", and not Jerome. This french version of the name seems to be the historic one. 82.234.10.207 07:04, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ghostbusters

In the beginning of the first Ghostbusters movie, when asked if there has been any history of mental illness in her family, the librarian said that she had an uncle who thought he was Saint Jerome. As Jerome is the patron saint of librarians, this is almost certainly intentional.


[edit] dates

347 – 0420-09-30; looks terribly ugly and hard to read. Can't we remove the 0 before the 420? Kdammers 08:33, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Strido verses Stridon

In Jerome's De Viris Illustribus Jerome states he was born in "Strido" nor Stridon. The city of Stridon was just assumed by some editor (years back) to be the same thing, which it is not. There is no actual reference showing Jerome was born in Stridon, therefore I have put it back to Strido (as Jerome identifies himself). --Doug talk 11:45, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dates

Hello I am totally new to editing Wiki. I recently changed the dates of Saint Jerome but the actual date of September 30th isn't in the ref i cited but was in the original article before i edited it. I am reluctant to remove it because i don't know if it is right or not. I don't have time to research the specifics right now as i am studying for my final exams so if someone else can spare time to that would be great.

Cheers :)

[edit] Was Saint Jerome really a Cardinal?

I ask this because the article, as of right now, doesn't say that Saint Jerome was a Cardinal, but it says that he's represented in art with Cardinals' clothes. What was he? Should the article be altered to reflect that?J.J. Bustamante 05:20, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Jerome predates the formal College of Cardinals by some centuries. However, he was certainly a "cardinal", if not a Cardinal. The Latin adjective cardinalis means "chief" or "key". The top clergy of Rome were traditionally called cardinales before the legal establishment of the college. Rwflammang 03:54, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

In fact, cardinal comes from the latin cardo which has a second meaning as a peg that was inserted into a beam during construction. A cardinal was simply a priest or bishop who had been moved (ie inserted) from the church of his ordination to a church that lacked its own clergy. In Rome during the persecutions there were not major churchs. Rather, there were twenty-some small communities, that together served the function that a cathedral normally would. After the persecutions, however, basillicas were built, and clergy from the small churches were transfered or incardinated to them to perform the liturgy. These priests, deacons, and bishops were therefore cardinals. Well into the middle ages their primary function was the liturgy of the Roman basillicas. There were cardinals in cathedrals and other churchs across Europe. It was not until, oh, the 9th century or so that the term cardinal began to have the conotation that we associate with it. The point is that Jerome was not a cardinal in the manner in which most readers would understand the term. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ajones65 (talk • contribs) 19:29, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Date of Death

There isn´t general consensus about his exact death date. Others versions of the Wikipedia, like you can see, give the year 420 as the date of his passing. I don´t think there is exact sure if the date of his death took place in 419 or 420. I ask someone to show the most reliable sources about one of these two dates. User:Mistico 00:35, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Should controversy be mentioned?

Many of Jerome's writings have been criticized for being misogynistic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gaylegoh (talk • contribs) 21:02, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Prophetic exegesis" - WP:OR and WP:SYN

This section is OR, exactly like the Augustine article. See the discussion on the Augustine talk page. Tonicthebrown (talk) 18:15, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

This section simply reports what Jerome had to say about Bible prophecy. It says nothing about whether it was or was not more important than anything else Jerome had to say. It is based on Froom who is a secondary, world class source, who far out classes your opinions. And no one has shown or proven Froom biased or wrong. All there have been are opinions--no evidence ever. And it is ONLY your biased opinions on which you base your silly, assertions. The only NPOV you allow are those that you believe in. This is NOT WP:SYN. And you cannot prove it. It is just your biased opinion. Come up with real evidence of what Jerome "really" had to say THEN you can make the claims you make. Christian Skeptic (talk) 01:51, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
"This is NOT WP:SYN. And you cannot prove it."
With all due respect it is clearly WP:SYN and OR. The section consists almost entirely of a series of direct quotations from the ancient primary source, subdivided into topical sections according to the WP editor's own personal assessment, with virtually no third party analysis or secondary source support.Tonicthebrown (talk) 11:13, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Material can often be put together in a way that constitutes original research even if its individual elements have been published by reliable sources. Synthesizing material occurs when an editor tries to demonstrate the validity of his or her own conclusions by citing sources that when put together serve to advance the editor's position. If the sources cited do not explicitly reach the same conclusion, or if the sources cited are not directly related to the topic of the article, then the editor is engaged in original research.

– From WP:SYN

Everything in this section, all the comments and the quotes from Jerome, comes directly from Froom. You would know this if you would read Froom. But I forget, you don't need to read Froom. The only thing I did was to reference Jerome's quotes to on-line sources. You are so paranoid. So eager to censor anything you don't agree with. Christian Skeptic (talk) 21:15, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
I would appreciate you not descending to the level of personal attacks (WP:PA, WP:CIV). If the material really comes from Froom, then rather than just being presented as an unprocessed collection of block quotes (WP:IINFO) it needs to be written in an encyclopedic style which makes it clear that this is one scholar's analysis of Jerome. At present the style and tone are unencyclopedic. Tonicthebrown (talk) 04:48, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "The Thunderer"

The Thunderer is a poem about Saint Jerome by childrens author Phyllis McGinley, which was converted to a blues song by Dion on his 2007 CD, Son of Skip James. Pustelnik (talk) 12:15, 29 March 2008 (UTC)