Talk:Jermain Defoe
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[edit] Mostly a sub?
I'm not a Spurs fan, but the stats say it's not true thast he was a sub for most of the season. My text:
Despite his impressive ability, Spurs manager Martin Jol has used Defoe in rotation for the 2005-06 season; Robbie Keane and Mido also vied for a starting position. Defoe started 23 times and came on as substitute 13 times in the 2005-06 season, with Keane making 24 starts and 11 substitute appearances and Mido making 24 starts and 3 substitute appearances.
I hope this is a more accurate statement, I'm not sure how much Jol's team selections were forced by the African Nations Cup or injuries etc.
Slumgum | yap | stalk | 01:11, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Removed
Rumours that suggest Chelsea have offered Shaun Wright-Phillips to Tottenham Hotspur in a transfer deal in exchange for Defoe appear as yet unfounded. However, so long as one of England's more famous strikers is used as part of a squad-rotation policy, as opposed to being an automatic start, it is likely that transfer rumours will continue to surround the player.
As it was just tittle tattle and nothing more.Statto74 11:41, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Personal Life
He has split with Charlotte Meares following a fling with a woman who was something of a Meares lookalike. Aparantly Danielle Lloyd had been comforting Defoe since the split, sadly I have no confirmed source hence the note hereStatto74 14:45, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
- To be honest, I don't think his relationship has any relevant to his notability and would not object if the text about his engagement to Meares was completely removed altogether. --Malcolmxl5 21:18, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Tottenham - Pompy Transfer again.
Okay, I just read the Sports section of the Daily Telegraph this morning, Defoe can't play this weekend against Spurs, because his deal started off as a Loan deal, which according to that, he played his first game against Chelsea while on a Loan contract. (Due to time restraints!)
That means, the wording about the contract is wrong in the article in a way, it is inconsistent with the news articles when I come to read them. Also means that the first game and goal for Pompy should be on loan and not combined in the infobox.
Would the rest of you agree with this? Govvy (talk) 09:05, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
- I agree, however it may mean other articles also need changing to reflect this recent situation. For example, Hernán Crespo is one article where whether the player is on loan or a permenant signing is frequently contested, and this ruling on Defoe may need to be mirrored with other players in similar situations. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 12:16, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
- I can't see why it can't be done across the range. Govvy (talk) 16:24, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
- I agree and feel it should, I was just saying in the past there has been a bit of an edit war about it on the Crespo page. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 12:32, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
- ( comment on previous two edits to main document.) Far as I know, only his first match was while he was on loan. After that his deal was perm. Govvy (talk) 12:43, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Loan vs Permanent
[edit] FA Premier League Rules 07/08
http://www.premierleague.com/staticFiles/2e/6d/0,,12306~93486,00.pdf
SECTION M - Transfers of Players’ Registrations
Temporary Transfers
5. A “Temporary Transfer” shall mean the transfer of a contract registration effected in accordance with Rules M.6 to M.10.
6. Subject to the conditions set out below, a Temporary Transfer shall be permitted:
- 6.1 between Clubs;
7. The conditions referred to in Rule M.6 are:
- 7.2 during the period of the Temporary Transfer of his contract registration a Player shall not play against the Transferor Club;
- 7.5 not more than 2 Temporary Transfers shall be registered by a Club at the same time except that there shall be excluded from that number:
- 7.5.1 any Temporary Transfer which become permanent;
[edit] My Interpretation
With reference to the relevent parts of the official rules I have given above I would like to give my understandings of these rules.
By 7.2, regardless of if he is a loan or permanent player, he wouldn't have been eligible to play against his Transferor Club (Tottenham) as it was in the (initial) period of loan contract registration.
When combining 7.5 & 7.5.1 the English doesn't make sense:
"not more than 2 Temporary Transfers shall be registered by a Club at the same time except that there shall be excluded from that number any Temporary Transfer which become permanent"
Either it is "become" so "any" implies it should be Temporary Transfers (plural) or it is "any Temporary Transfer" (singular) so "become" should either be became or is to become
This ambiguity of wording created the confusion as to if he is a loan or permanent player, so I will leave him as a permenant player as I expect this makes the most sense, and will create the least controversy. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 15:22, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
- My understanding is that he was initially signed on loan because Portsmouth couldn't get a permanent deal through before midnight on 31 January (it was, I think, dependent on the Benjani transfer to Manchester City, which went through very, very late that night) and then it was made permanent a few days later. I understand also that the Premier League "clarified" their rules, saying that anyone signing on loan cannot play against their previous club later that season, even if the loan later became a permanent deal, which led to Defoe not being allowed to play against Tottenham. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 21:12, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
