Talk:Jeremiah Johnson

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[edit] Plot section

The plot section contains original research that is inaccurate. At the time of the Mexican-American war, there was an established "mountain man community", which Johnson could have plausibly joined. See the Taos Revolt, Tom Tobin, and John David Albert. While it is true that the mountain man lifestyle was in transition/decline, there was trapping and mountain men around well after the war. I think we see the decline in the Will Geer character. "No more griz..". I'm going to remove the OR, and add a little more about the film. Crockspot 23:18, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Feb 5th 2007 has an excellent plot summary of the movie, I can't see any reason why it was removed by 67.117.146.139 along with most of the rest of the page. It's possible that was an accident though. Either way I'm restoring the plot summary, anyone more familiar with the movie is welcome to go over it for innaccuracies. --Superslash 14:43, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

I believe that the line about Del Gue - "It is said that after he killed the indians Del would have sex with their dead bodies" - is either vandalism or a gross misunderstanding of DG's line "Where're you goin'? Don't you WANT any of these?", clarified when Johnson asks "What?" and DG responds "Scalps!" Johnson's disgusted "No!" is followed by DG's manic, "Well, Mother Gue never raised such a foolish child." I am removing the line.

Second, Del Gue makes it apparent that the Blackfoot warriors who stole his horse and "passables" and buried him neck deep in the sand were the same ones who had killed "Caleb's" (JJ's renaming of the now-catatonic boy's) family - "You seen what they done to that boy's family." I'm changing "Crow" to "Blackfoot." The sense of this in the larger context of the film is that Johnson, according to Gue and the Flathead band that welcomes JJ, DG, and Caleb and whose chief Two Tongues LeBeau offers his daughter Swan in marriage to Johnson, is that because he is the one who avenges "the crazy woman in the Wolf Tail Valley" he is now "big medicine," worthy of respect and a degree of fear. That the Wolf Tail Valley is apparently on the Crow land of Paints His Shirt Red's band does not preclude the marauding and painted Blackfoot warriors from having committed the atrocity. The control of the land by the Crow and its significance as the beginning of Johnson's reputation among them make it a logical spot for the "war memorial" that JJ stumbles upon near the end of the film. Sensei48 06:48, 20 June 2007 (UTC)sensei48

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BetacommandBot (talk) 18:24, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Edit Rationale, 2/10/08

Reasons for the changes:

1) There is no evidence at all that the Blackfoot "spared" the woman and child. To the contrary - it is likelier that "Caleb" and his mother hid successfully, as the warriors hatcheted at least two other children, including a little girl. "Sparing" as used is unjustified and, here, ungrammatical.

2)The rest of the article correctly uses the surname "Johnson" to identify the character; including the first name once is inconsistent and unnecessary. "Backpack" is a contemporary term that does not accurately describe Swan's "pack," often referred to in the mountain man era as a parfleche.

3) "Tribe" is a singular collective noun - hence "its."

4) "Knowing the struggle and loss" requires a modifier for clarification. "Grimacingly" is not a word in English.Sensei48 (talk) 19:24, 10 February 2008 (UTC)