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Contents 1 Giovanni33 ArbCom 2 User:Zoporific tag 3 Arb followup 4 Old issue same problem 5 Question

[edit] Giovanni33 ArbCom

Hi Jehochman, I know you've been fairly convinced by the evidence of sock and/or meatpuppetry in the Giovanni33 ArbCom case, but partly because of that and partly because you have some experience evaluating sockpuppetry in general (and these accounts in particular) I just wanted to ask if you might take some time to have a look at a new section of evidence I added. Thanks!--Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 07:05, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi Jehochman. I have a question for you regarding my arbcom case. I've asked it before on the case pages but you may have missed it. This is in regards to your statement that while before you thought I was behind the puppets, you changed your mind to block me citing that "several admins" wrote to you and that this caused significant doubt on your part. I understand if the admins and the evidence that they may have presented are private in nature, and I do not know if they have written directly to arbcom nor not. However, if you have evidence which caused you to have significant doubt over the accusations I currently face in arbcom, it certainly is relevant and I would like to make sure that this evidence is considered by the committee. Therefore, can you relay this information to them, in one form or another (e-mail or by posting it to evidence page?) Thanks.Giovanni33 (talk) 20:43, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

I received an opinion from at least one other admin about the editing patterns of your account and the others, and decided to reverse my block. It is still my opinion that these other editors and yourself may be engaged in meat puppetry, perhaps unintentionally. As I have said before, if you would recognize the obvious problem with the editing patterns, and vow to make sure this pattern does not repeat, that would go a long way towards easing my concerns. Jehochman ^Talk 23:41, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I vow exactly that, and just need a mentor to help me to see when such patterns arise. I looks like an admin, Ryan, has already volunteered to fill the role. I put forward the remedy on my case that attempts to stipulate such a formalized solution to address these concerns. Will you support that proposal? Thanks.Giovanni33 (talk) 23:54, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I can support that. Jehochman ^Talk 00:09, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! I think it has a good chance of gaining enough support to be ratified.Giovanni33 (talk) 00:12, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] User:Zoporific tag

Hi! I was browsing through something else (the "Wikipedia effect", you know!) and happened across User:Zoporific and User:Snocrates, who apparently used to share a room and computer, and went through a sock-abuse discussion. I'm unclear whether the final opinion was that they were socks or genuinely separate, but my only real concern is that the tag on User:Zoporific is inaccurate as he's not blocked. If it's intended that he be blocked then someone should do that, otherwise is there some more accurate tag I should change it to? Many thanks! --_{tiny plastic} Grey Knight ⊖ 10:10, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I am not sure, but will take a look when I have time. Jehochman ^Talk 23:48, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Arb followup

Je, you followed Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Sadi Carnot more closely than I did. My first encounter with Sadi Carnot (talk · contribs) was over the Extra-Long Article Committee, and there has been some fairly persistent perseveration over at WP:SIZE. Can you peek in at this? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:12, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Hi. Can you refer me to Sadi's site. Is this it? [1] Mrshaba (talk) 02:04, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Also, this might sound weird but did Sadi push the idea that mankind will soon be living in space colonies? Mrshaba (talk) 02:12, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

In my opinion, this is not Sadi Carnot. If the new editor is causing disruption, we can deal with that directly. Jehochman ^Talk 22:21, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Je; not sure he's causing disruption, just a lot of work. No one else is really paying attention, AFAICT. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:22, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Hello Jehochman. I've been dealing with this user (199.125.109.xxx, Apteva, Oakwillow) for about a year on the solar energy page. It seems as though he's experimenting with how much he can get away with. Rfc PicturesOngoing image issue Any advice? Mrshaba (talk) 21:19, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, but inner warning lights are still saying something is amiss here. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:20, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

It very well could be that something is amiss, but this user does not exhibit the content objectives of Sadi Carnot. Jehochman ^Talk 02:24, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Old issue same problem

Hi Jehochman, sorry to bug you but User:Caesarjbsquitti is soapboxing again. Recently he was formally topic-banned from 9/11 articles for soapboxing about conspiracy theories[2]. However that is neither the focus nor extent of his soapboxing. If you remember in November 2007 I raised concerns about this same behaviour on Talk:Feminism and left you a note here (you can see the old ANI thread here).

I also raised the subsequent problems with Haemo - who becuase they were involved in an article on the list preferred to recuse from dealing with it[3].

Most recently Caesarjbsquitti multi-posted a peice about sexism against men in to Sexism, Violence against women and Domestic violence. Originally there were OR problems on his post to the 'Sexism' article[4] but he subsequently ironed that out reverting my removal of his OR and synthestis (but marked his revert as "minor"[5]). He also added the same text to the 'Domestic Violence' article (also marking the addition of a new section as "minor" [6]) and then to the 'Violence against women' article[7].

I raised concerns about how the material was then added to a new criticism section at Talk:Violence_against_women and how it violated WP:NOR and WP:COAT (detailed here). This his response[8].

Is this soapboxing further tendentious behaviour in light of the fact that this user has been blocked, topic banned and previously warned for such behaviour and if so what remedy would be appropriate?--Cailil ^talk 22:43, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Also as I raised it with Haemo - there may be an issue with the userpage User:Caesarjbsquitti - soapbox on his theories about half-truths and borders on being an ad for his self-published book--Cailil ^talk 22:46, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

PS see this post to Talk:Domestic violence. Also a quick FYI - this user was warned about this same behaviour in August 2006[9]--Cailil ^talk 23:01, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

I do not want to be seen as retaliating against this editor for their 9/11 stance. Could you take this to another administrator, perhaps User:Fritzpoll? Jehochman ^Talk 13:03, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Question

What gives you the authority to remove other people's comments from user Talk pages? --Jagz (talk) 04:58, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

On your own talk page I left helpful advice about how to raise objections to somebody's possible request for adminship. Two ideas: 1/ if you want to oppose, state reasons. 2/ RFA is the proper venue for this discussion. Chiming in on a discussion at the user's talk page can be perceived as disruptive or an attempt at intimidation. Regards, Jehochman ^Talk 21:34, 13 June 2008 (UTC)