User talk:Jeff Fenstermacher

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[edit] Welcome, from Gflores

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[edit] de:Ursinus College

Ist das Deine schrottige Maschinenübersetzung? Die wurde bereits schnellgelöscht - noch so ein Fall und Du wirst wie jeder andere Vandale gemeldet. AN 07:31, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Mein Deutsch ist nur grundlegend. Bitte seien Sie nicht unhöflich und zu mir unhöflich. Ich versuchte zu helfen. Jeff Fenstermacher 17:20, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
You are not the only one being insulted. See User talk:Bronks. Maybe it is a campaign? u p p l a n d 18:12, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Reverting vandalism is not a 3R violation

Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia under the three-revert rule, which states that nobody may revert an article to a previous version more than three times in 24 hours. (Note: this also means editing the page to reinsert an old edit. If the effect of your actions is to revert back, it qualifies as a revert.) Thank you. --Pilot|guy 23:35, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

I am user Jeff Fenstermacher. You put a 3R notice on my user talk page. Per the Wikipedia page on vandalism, "Removing all or significant parts of articles is a common vandal edit." Thus, blanking is vandalism, simply put. Reverting vandalism is NOT a 3R violation.207.69.137.36 00:01, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Falun Gong

I have blocked both you and User:Samuel Luo for an hour for violating WP:3RR. A content dispute is not vandalism. I have made it a short block in the hope that you will both cool down before your blocks expire. --Sam Blanning(talk) 23:38, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

I am user Jeff Fenstermacher. You blocked my account for reverting blanking vandalism. Per the Wikipedia page on vandalism, "Removing all or significant parts of articles is a common vandal edit." Blanking is vandalism, simply put. It's not a content dispute. It's vandalism.207.69.137.36 00:01, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
(copying from your IP, which I have blocked to prevent further evasion) If you have a good-faith and reasonable justification for removing a section, it isn't vandalism. He had initiated a discussion. He is quite blatantly not a malicious vandal. The point is, there is never any reason to keep reverting and reverting and reverting. Report them to WP:AN/3RR, wait for them to be blocked, and let someone else revert it. That is the only way consensus, and not willpower, can determine how an article stays. Because I thought you were reverting in good faith, I kept the block period short, and out of fairness I had to give Luo the same period.
Log back in as User:Jeff Fenstermacher, because I'm blocking your IP to prevent you using it for further evasion. You can still edit User talk:Jeff Fenstermacher while logged in under that account. The block expires in half an hour anyway. If Luo continues edit warring, he will be blocked for the full 24 hours. --Sam Blanning(talk) 00:09, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
You wrote: "If you have a good-faith and reasonable justification for removing a section, it isn't vandalism. He had initiated a discussion." I'm sorry, that's not what happened. Look at the history of the article. The first time he blanked the entire section without any explanation. As defined on the Wikipedia vandalism page, blanking a section in that manner without explanation is vandalism. Only after he was caught blanking, he tried to find a rationale. You seem to be screening this through some kind of ex post facto personal filtration while simultaneously ignoring the Wikipedia rules. I was only following the rules. In all candor, I think perhaps your "admin status" has gone to your head a bit, with your nannyish comments about "cooling down." I reverted vandalism, simply put. Nothing more. I followed the rules. You didn't. I think you owe me an apology.
Additionally, I was trying to alert an administrator to the situation; however, because you were in such a hurry to summarily block me without any kind of warning or dialog, you made that impossible and compounded the problem. Jeff Fenstermacher 01:01, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
Please note that I have initiated an AMA Request for Assistance regarding this matter, as I believe Mr. Blanning's behavior was unwarranted.Jeff Fenstermacher 01:37, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Consensus edit on April 2006 Hu visit protests

During the April 20, 2006, welcoming ceremonies outside the White House for Chinese president Hu Jintao, which opened his official visit to the capitol, a Falun Gong supporter repeatedly interrupted the event by shouting in English and Chinese. Because she was stationed atop a grandstand and blocked on all sides by camera equipment and ladders, it took at least two minutes for Secret Service agents to drag her away. Reuters later identified the woman as Wang Wenyi, a reporter for The Epoch Times, a Chinese and English newspaper run by the Falun Gong.[1]

"President Bush, stop him from persecuting the Falun Gong!" she shouted at one point, followed by "Hu, your days are numbered", in Chinese. She was also heard yelling "Stop the torture and killings!" and "Falun Dafa is good". During her protests, she unfurled and waved a yellow and red Falun Gong banner.[2]

On April 21, Wang was charged with a federal misdemeanor of harassing a foreign official, punishable by up to six months in jail and a fine of $5,000. She was released without bail pending further proceedings.[3]

Also during Hu's visit in Washington, D.C., hundreds of banner-waving protesters loudly demonstrated against Hu's visit outside the White House gates. The clamor was heard faintly during an elaborate lunch Bush gave in Hu's honor.[4]

On April 19, Falun Gong supporters protested Hu's visit to Washington state, using sound trucks to blare messages into his hotel accusing Chinese internal security forces of torture, organ harvesting, and other atrocities. Protesters also appeared near Microsoft's headquarters earlier in the day, which was hosting Hu during his visit.[5]

[edit] Please be civil.

Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on the contributor; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you.

I understand that you're upset with Mr. Blanning, but please do not make personal attacks (which include accusing him of not working in good faith ("being deliberately deceptive") and of being a bad adminstrator).

Please resolve disputes through the appropriate channels (which I see you've started to do by asking for an advocate) rather than taking out your frustration on another editor.

Thanks.

Hbackman 22:51, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I disagree with your assertion that I was being uncivil and that I was engaging in personal attacks. I stated facts as I saw them. I made no ad hominem comments. I feel I was treated shabbily for following the rules by someone who wasn't following the rules. Further, I find it very troubling that you have threatened to block me simply for disagreeing with what I see as poor treatment. While Wikipedia may not be a democracy, it's not a fascistic autocracy, either. Administrators make mistakes all the time, and presuming their infallibility, while always presuming the non-administrator is in the wrong, is destructive to the Wikipedia community.Jeff Fenstermacher 23:09, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] could you help

Jeff, Could you help with the Falun Gong article, the pages are being vandalized and the admins dont seem to care... people are even using sockpuppets to repeatedly revert all good edits.. kindly help.. Dilip rajeev 00:23, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Unfair Block"

I noticed you had a request for Advocate if you tell me exactly how you think I can help I will do my best.(I promise nothing b/c I'm still investigating both sides of the story) Mahogany

On your block time Mr. Blanning only claimed that he was trying to let you cool down after a 3rr Mahogany
I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to ask someone else to step into your place. Without any input from me, you immediately sided with the other party. You're not being neutral or objective about this matter, and it would be inappropriate for you to continue. You also should date and timestamp your contributions with four tildas.Jeff Fenstermacher 05:49, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
I didn't say "side" with the other group involved but you were perfectly in the wrong. You broke the 3rr. Your block was not long so you shouldn't complain. Mahogany
I have looked this over, give me something to think otherwise and I will help you. Mahogany
When you say things like "you were perfectly in the wrong" and "you shouldn't complain," you're showing your patent lack of objectivity and why you are completely wrong to step into this process. As well, you don't seem to understand simple Wiki policies by time-stamping your contributions. Please stop wasting my time and interfering with this process.Jeff Fenstermacher 21:28, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

You're right and once again I'm sorry we must meet like this being that I strongly support almost all admin. actions. Cheers, Mahogany

Hi, I brought up this incident on WP:AN/I. Considering the block is now over, and the disputed section seems to be no longer disputed, is there anything else current regarding this particular request? - Keith D. Tyler (AMA) 20:19, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hello

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