Talk:Jeffrey Epstein

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Uh...this guy is basically charged with child molestation. Why is this silly PR piece here? "Still considered one of its brightest minds?" Fer chrissake. Here comes the chainsaw... 68.81.114.143 14:13, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Jeffrey Epstein is currently being tried on multiple counts of child molestation. Those facts will remain in the article. Destroying good faith edits without a discussion is outright vandalism. Graham Wellington (talk) 17:10, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Epstein is currently on trial for allegedly molesting teenage girls. If you intend to delete properly sourced facts, please discuss. Graham Wellington (talk) 23:08, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Jeffrey Epstein is currently being tried on several counts of molesting underage girls. Here are the facts:

"One of the accusers—a girl of 14—had put his age at 45, not in his fifties, and you could see why."

http://nymag.com/news/features/41826/

"The girl cried and dug her finger into her thigh and told the story, of going to a big house on the Atlantic Intracoastal Waterway, and climbing a spiral staircase to the master bedroom, where a blonde woman of 25 who wasn’t very friendly laid out sheets and lotions on a massage table and left, then Jeff came in, naked but for a towel, and sternly ordered the girl to take off her clothes. As she rubbed his chest, he touched himself, then applied a vibrator to her crotch."

http://nymag.com/news/features/41826/index1.html

"But generally the girls’ feelings as portrayed by police interviews ranged from disgust to fear. Epstein was the hairy troll under the bridge they had to pass over to get quick money."

http://nymag.com/news/features/41826/index2.html

"A 16-year-old who needed money for Christmas said she was so upset by Epstein’s removing her underwear as she massaged him that she broke off her friendship with the girl who brought her. Another called Epstein “a pervert.”"

http://nymag.com/news/features/41826/index2.html

"One of Epstein’s friends told me, “He thinks there’s an anti-Semitic conspiracy against him in Palm Beach. He’s convinced of that. Maybe it’s a defense mechanism.”"
"Yet the anti-Semitic charge disturbed Jews whom I asked about it in Palm Beach."

http://nymag.com/news/features/41826/index3.html

"Driving home with their $500, Haley said to the 14-year-old that if they did this every Saturday they’d be rich, and it’s understandable that a teenager in West Palm Beach might feel that way."
"He has never shown a glimmer of understanding that a high-school girl could be damaged by a powerful 50-year-old’s demands, or that some of the girls were already emotionally damaged."

http://nymag.com/news/features/41826/index4.html

Graham Wellington (talk) 23:26, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

This man is not considered guilty yet, therefore the headline for basically PR pieces and not the factual information of his life should be changed from "Accusations of child molestation" to something more fair. By putting up that headline, you are vandalizing his page. Him being accused DOES NOT need to be the HEADLINE of the piece. Why aren't there any headlines for his accomplishments? People are innocent until proven guilty. These accusations surely put bad tastes in people's mouths, but this page should be handled professionally and NOT as a one-sided PR piece.

Arazara (talk) 17:14, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

He was indicted by a grand jury on all counts. The headline should reflect that fact. Graham Wellington (talk) 20:13, 7 January 2008 (UTC)


[edit] not a mug shot

I removed the claim that this image was a mug shot... here is same image at HuffPo, w/ Bear Stearns poster behind him. Please direct me to the nearest police station that displays Bear Stearns posters. J.A.McCoy (talk) 17:16, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

The source for this photo, The Smoking Gun, does identify it as a mug shot. Your comment asserting that police stations wouldn't have posters isn't valid, unless you've spent a considerable amount of time in various police stations?
In case you aren't aware, new comments belong at the bottom of the page, not at the top. You've been here long enough to have learned that. Wildhartlivie (talk) 18:23, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Disambiguation

Please see my post in Biographies of Living Persons. There are many other people in the world named Jeffrey Epstein. I am one of them, and I am NOT THIS GUY. Jeep15603 (talk) 21:32, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

I am sorry that you are having difficulties in sharing a name with this individual. However, the use of disambiguation pages on Wikipedia is clearly outlined at WP:DAB, which says Disambiguation in Wikipedia is the process of resolving conflicts in article titles that occur when a single term can be associated with more than one topic, making that term likely to be the natural choice of title for more than one article. In other words, disambiguations are paths leading to the different article pages that could use essentially the same term as their title. Since there are no other articles on Wikipedia about a Jeffrey Epstein, and the article is very clear regarding the specific Epstein with whom it is dealing, I'm afraid little can be done to further disambiguate it. Just a basic 411.com search for this name reveals 158 persons alone whose phone number is listed under the name "Jeff Epstein." So unless you're the Jeffrey Epstein who is 54 years old, was born on Coney Island, is a billionaire financier who lives in Florida and has hobnobbed with politicians and celebrities, owns a private island and is currently in legal problems for proclivities, it's not likely that the ordinary person will mistake you for him. That is rather the point, in that this is hardly a unique name and while I'm sure you are more highly aware of it, the average person is not likely to read that name elsewhere and think of you in specific. There really isn't a precedent, or a need, to print a disclaimer in the article saying "Make sure you know this isn't another Jeffrey Epstein." Wildhartlivie (talk) 22:24, 9 March 2008 (UTC)