Talk:Jefferson County Public Schools (Kentucky)

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[edit] History

The present-day school system includes a former independent city school district that was absorbed by the county system under court order in the mid-1970s. The city system definitely goes back further than 1953, and the article should probably be updated by someone who is familiar with the history. Also, the last sentence about it being widely recognized may be true, but it could use some supporting facts. --Bill Lumbergh 06:40, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Can the page Education in Louisville be merged in this article? Thief Lord 15:12, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Not necessarily. This one could probably be merged into the Education in Louisville, but Education in Louisville could not be merged in here, as there is much more about Louisville Education than the K-12 School System. - Braindrain0000 15:09, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
There is no "Education in Louisville" page that I know of. Correct me if I'm wrong. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 15:11, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
You're right, there isn't. I think what may be under consideration is the List of schools in Louisville article. My point still stands - since there's more to Louisville schools than JCPS, it doesn't work right. And, once I finish getting my information together (including the last seven years of history), I'll be removing the stub tag from this article, so the probably reasoning for the original suggestion would no longer apply. --Braindrain0000 22:22, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
The List of schools in Louisville article seems to be covering all area schools. Are you saying that it needs to have a different format?
Regarding this article, thank you for all the good work regarding history--I'm thinking some of the text regarding busing could be added to the History of Louisville, Kentucky article. Also, please don't take it personally, but I have to ask if the text added was "in your own words"--it's so good, it appears like it possibly was copied straight from another source. It's just that the Wikipedia has strict policy on copyright violations, thus my due diligence. At any rate, it would be good if the material added was footnoted with a reference. Thanks for understanding--I would ask these things of any contributor if I wasn't sure. Cheers! Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 22:54, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
It is based on a specific document (which I realize I need to cite, though it is available through the JCPS website), but I have put it in my own words as much as possible (there are some things that can only be said so many ways and maintain a professional writing style). No bragging intended, but I do normally write that way. If you want something by which to compare, look at some of my copyedits about a month back on The Sims 2. The writing style is different by virtue of the subject matter, but you should see some consistency between the two. I'm also doing the history as I read through the sources. For instance, the source I used only goes through 1999, thus the outcome of the 1998 lawsuit isn't there (where many of the quotas were lifted) and the lawsuit that's going to be heard by the supreme court isn't there. That's because I haven't gone through the available news articles yet to fill in those details. I'll reconsolidate some of the history when I have more information to contribute. That will help with the matter a bit.
The link to the original document I used is [1]. If anyone has a problem with what I added being too close to the original for comfort, I'll gladly self-revert it until I have more sources that I can mix and match with.
On the List of Schools in Louisville issue - I'm in favor of creating a template for the bottom of the page that can be placed on all Louisville-related education pages (here, the high school articles, etc.) --Braindrain0000 03:27, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Without fully researching this, I will assume good faith that you are handling this as you should. Thank you for explaining how you put together the article. Re: the template, what would go on it? I'm not exactly sure what you want to do. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 14:58, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
It'd be similar to the Higher Education in Kentucky Template. It could have general "Education in Louisville" articles, referencing this one (among others), then have a list of the schools in a compact format. That section would be based on the List of Schools in Louisville article as far as categorization is concerned. The downside is that there aren't a whole lot of schools with pages, and definitely few with more than a stub to speak for it. --Braindrain0000 16:22, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Red links for future articles could go in such a template. My main concern, though, is that this template would necessarily be quite large. I would recommend a template for JCPS-related topics only. There's already a template for Catholic elementary schools, and perhaps there could be templates to cover other aspects of private/religious schools. But a template that includes all area schools would be thick, and people here tend to not like thick templates. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 16:33, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
And I just realized that the "Education in Louisville" reference is actually to the Category by that name. --Braindrain0000 03:29, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Source Info Added, etc.

I've added my source list for the article. Unfortunately, there aren't too many sources to work with on the pre-merger side of things. However, I was able to retrieve a couple of pertinent articles from the C-J and blend them in to improve that section. Do you think we have enough to remove the stub designation? If not, what do you feel we need? --Braindrain0000 12:50, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

I think it's clearly no longer a stub. Perhaps its governing/revenue structure could be discussed more thoroughly (including the relationships between all the stakeholders), along with a list of current board members. Thank you immensely for all the work you have put into this. Cheers! Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 15:03, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Board of Education

I like the material on the Board of Education, but I'm wondering: Is the Board considered a part of JCPS or is it a separate oversight/governing board? If it's the latter, it may deserve its own article, especially since we tend to put all elected assemblies/individuals into their own articles. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 17:00, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

That's complicated. I'm reading the Board Policy Manual right now. It sounds more like a separate oversight board when defined verbatim from the Kentucky Revised Statutes. Technically, it reports to the State Board of Education, so on and so forth, but it functions nearly identically to a Board of Directors for a corporation. Even if standard policy is to make elected groups into their own articles, I'm not sure it's profitable to do here, as there is not much information distinct from the identity of the school district. Also, the terms "Jefferson County Public Schools" and "Jefferson County Board of Education" are nearly synonymous from a legal standpoint. All union agreements are made with JCBE, with a team of JCPS employees generally acting as the representatives of the board. Is there a precedent for separating a school board into a separate article from school district proper? --Braindrain0000 21:19, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
I don't know. This is a new one on me. And this does appear a bit complicated. I suppose that for now, JCBE should redirect to this article. Thanks. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 22:08, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bluegrass Initiative and Every 1 Reads

Thanks for not wholesale reverting my changes. I think your revisions may be introducing point of view. If you're trying to encourage people to consider the Bluegrass Initiative's position, you might want to know that your changes actually make the Bluegrass Initiative's position sound less reputable - it now comes across as a position that can't stand on its own. It must be pushed with words like "only" (implying that there is an expectation, which is point of view), "documented" (implying that there has been specific investigation and testing for the purpose of comparing the rating systems, which is not shown in the cited article), and "conveyed" (which is ambiguous unless it specified to whom something is being conveyed). If you don't let the facts speak for themselves then it will continue to come across as PR-speak, and readers will recognize it as PR-speak and discredit the entire idea. I don't know enough about the situation to care (except that Wikipedia's guidelines require Neutral Point of View), but I'm interested in your thoughts on this. --Hebisddave (talk) 21:22, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

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