Talk:Jean Shepherd
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I changed the WOR link from WOR (a disambiguation page) back to WOR-AM which is the correct link. Shepherd worked at WOR-AM. Why would we want to point to a disambiguation page instead? Bill 20:59, 19 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Is the author sure this is the correct year of birth for Shepherd? Other biographies have it listed as 1929. As I understand it, there is some controversy on the topic.
Here in Chicago we refer to the area of the city south of Madison Street as the south side, not South Chicago. May I suggest changing the line, "Born in South Chicago, Illinois" to either, "Born in Chicago, Illinois," (accurate) or "Born on the south side of Chicago, Illinois" (meaningless to anyone who doesn't live in Chicago, but more correct).
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[edit] 1921 birth?
I like 1921 as his birth year. I have a recording of one of his shows from July 26, 1964 (his birthday) where he says "..by God, I made it - 23 years old today!". If he was born in 1921 he'd have been turning 43, thus the joke - User:Mcwatson 12:52, 07 Jun 2006 (UTC)
The 1930 census indicates Shepherd was 8 years old at the time. Thus, his birth year would be 1921 (assuming the census was taken prior to July 26). Lmonteros (talk) 23:59, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Who's Who
Please don't remove signatures and time-stamps from comments. I was the one who suggested the "south side" change, and I'd like to get credit. Thank you.
BTW, here in Chicago we'd say Jean was, "born on the south side," not "in". As long as you're going to use a Chicago colloquialism, you may as well go all the way.
--AlvinMGO 14:39, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Job Description
"Shep" used to bristle when people called him a "comic" or "comedian". He hoped to be remembered as a humorist. 75.35.219.1 16:18, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Father's Occupation
I added the 1930 census information regarding his father's occupation and the makeup of the household. arkansasladybug 19:31, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Parent's Place of Birth
Made correction to parent's place of birth. Should have read "Illinois" rather than "Indiana."
arkansasladybug 22:31, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Citations
I strongly suspect that the main reason someone filled this article with "citation needed" tags and an unreferenced template isn't so much the dearth of citations as the large number of POV statements. The text refers to various Shepherd efforts as "scintillating", "striking", "fondly remembered" and so on. Under Wikipedia guidelines, the article should not make such judgments, but instead cite reliable sources as making such claims.
I've added several citations where some of the "fact" tags were, especially in cases where the claim was enormously easy to source and the person doing the tagging was perhaps going overboard a bit. However, there are a number of facts that still should get citations, such as the Nettleton marriage and more about the radio career. Also it would be good if someone can take the time to tone down some of the more fannish statements about how wonderful the radio show was, and instead report on the show's following in more neutral terms. This is not something I feel up to doing myself, since my knowledge of most of his work is extremely slight and secondhand. Thanks! --Karen | Talk | contribs 06:43, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Rousseau and "I"
I've also removed the following from the article:
In this sense, he was comparable to Jean-Jacques Rousseau, who, while writing extensively on the education of children did act poorly toward those who were close to him. During the 1960's in his radio broadcasts Shep would often credit "kids" with understanding the philosophy in his shows better than adults. Rousseau and Shep both held this idealistic view of "kids" but yet seemed to resent them when dealing with the actuality of child rearing. The similarity carries on at they progressed into old age and each developed unique traits that made them difficult to deal with, Rousseau with his paranoia and Shep with his "curmudgeon" self description that lent itself to long talks on what he considered a lack of respect that cut off his gaining a national TV audience. Once, after a show at Princeton in the mid 90's, I asked him about the TV series he had created for ABC and gone out to LA to write. This was done but not even a pilot ever aired. He simply said, "I wished I never did them." And changed the subject. If they were produced, somewhere, these shows could be in cans...and could they be a treasure trove? If they are on 2 inch or 1 inch tape their time either has or is running out.
The extended comparison of Shepherd and Rousseau falls under the category of original research, since it is an original commentary and cites no scholarship on the subject. If an article or book or somesuch has drawn a parallel between the two writers, then it should be cited as a source; otherwise it should be omitted here, and perhaps written up on someone's blog or website. Since Wikipedia articles are collectively written, they cannot have first person accounts in any case, except as clearly marked, brief quotations from some cited source. Additionally, the whole observation about Shepherd's contradictory attitudes about kids in general and his kids in particular is tangential at best to the subject heading about fact vs. fiction. Sorry. --Karen | Talk | contribs 06:57, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Libertineback.jpg
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BetacommandBot (talk) 14:45, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Mike Daisey?
Why the reference to Mike Daisey at the end? He's not well-known so unless there have been copyright infringement claims, why mention him? Shepherd's style was unusual, but not unique, so it makes sense that someone else could employ it without having heard of Shepherd. Lmonteros (talk) 23:59, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
I am removing the paragraph about Mike Daisey because it has absolutely no connection with Jean Shepherd. --Owen (talk) 15:37, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
