Talk:Jean Jacques Régis de Cambacérès
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[edit] Need a Latin scholar
"Qui, Quae et Quod" was recently and anonymously changed to "Hic, Haec et Hoc." I have no idea which is correct in this context, suppose both could be; lacking citation, I'm lost here. -- Jmabel | Talk 07:50, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
- This has now been restored to the original by Adam Carr. -- Jmabel | Talk 22:39, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Homosexuality
I would like to call your attentions on the fact that a confusion is made between PENAL code (which deals with sexual offences) and CIVIL code (which does not), since Jean-Jacques Régis de Cambacérès only contributed to the LATTER. As far as I know, no direct influence on the matter came from him. Simbalis' entry, which is quoted in the entry, correctly deals with the matter, the rest been added in and by Wikipedia ought to be proved before being stated. I made the point clair on the Italian version of Wikipedia: it:Jean-Jacques Régis de Cambacérès. I know that the role by Cambacèrès in abolishing anti-sodomy laws is a historical myth dating from the Fifties, yet this is but a myth. Anti-sodomy laws were abolished in 1791 when the French Revoluzion abolished all "imaginary crimes", i.e. heresy, whitchcraft... sodomy. It was a deliberate action, stemming from the principles of Enlightenment, which was actually watered down, not created, in the Code Napoléon. Best wishes G.dallorto 11:18, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
- I quote here what simbalis has to say on the matter:
- There is a persistent myth that the Napoleonic Code decriminalized homosexuality in France. In addition, many historians attribute this decriminalization to the intervention of the Second Consul (and later Arch-Chancellor), Jean-Jacques-Régis de Cambacérès (1753-1824), himself a homosexual, who played a key role in writing the code. This, too, is an historical error.
- Civil law regulates relations within civil society, including contracts, property, family, marriage and divorce, inheritance, and so on. Sexual offences--such as rape, public indecency, and proscribed sex acts--fall within the domain of criminal, not civil law. While it is true that the Penal Code promulgated by Napoleon in 1810 did not make homosexual relations a criminal offence, this was no innovation in France. The French Revolution (1789-1799) decriminalized homosexuality at a time when Napoleon was only a lieutenant in the royal army and Cambacérès an obscure provincial judge.
[edit] Cambacérès and Homosexuality
I have taken the liberty of editing this entry to make it historically accurate. Historians -- of which I am only the most recent -- have long known that Cambacérès had nothing to do with the elimination of homosexuality from French criminal law. Anyone who wants a fuller analysis of the problem, should consult my essay: Michael Sibalis, “The Regulation of Male Homosexuality in Revolutionary and Napoleonic France, 1789-1815,” in Homosexuality in Modern France, ed. Jeffrey Merrick and Bryant T. Ragan (New York, Oxford University Press, 1996). 80-101. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sibalis (talk • contribs) 5 July 2006.
[edit] Questionable link
Cambaceres.org is a bit ad-heavy for my tastes, though it does seem to have some relevant (French-language) material. What do others think? - Jmabel | Talk 03:18, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
- It's been several days, no one has chimed in, I'll remove it. - Jmabel | Talk 19:54, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Succession
I removed the succession box as there is not continuity between the Bourbon Dukes of Parma and this gentleman here. Indeed, he was created Duke, in this case a purely honorary title, is but he was not succeeded by Marie Louise, as the box claims. Whether there was a succession and how it went I do not know. It nothing to do with the actual Dukes of Parma and Piacenza. Str1977 (smile back) 01:01, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
