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[edit] 'Bourbons of India'

Is there any way this isn't rubbish (though from the newspapers rather than from wikipedia editors)? Descendants of an unspecified 'Jean de Bourbon', a 'nephew of Henry IV' (Henry IV of France had no nephews)? Mysteriously never mentioned until now by some crackpot cousin of Prince Philip? Supposedly the 'true heirs to the French throne' (no. Just no. There's no way any nephew of Henry IV of France could be 'true heir' without writing off Louis XIII and his line of descent, which no sane historian does)? And garbage about them being relatives of Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette (if they are descendants of Charles, Duke of Vendome, then they would be related, but very distantly, especially if isolated in India). Could someone please clarify if there is any serious merit to this nonsense? Michael Sanders 00:25, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I have known about the claim of the family before the book "Le Rajah Bourbon". It is an old noble family of Bhopal.--Malaiya 00:36, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
And what's the reputation of the author. Is he considered an expert (or even competent) historian, or is he viewed in the same manner as those of Holy Blood and the Holy Grail? Michael Sanders 00:49, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Please also see

--Malaiya 02:43, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I'd point out that those don't appear to explain their assertions. Moreover, I'd automatically distrust any website, or unsourced piece of work, claiming that Charles de Bourbon did not die in the 1527 Siege of Rome. Michael Sanders 02:46, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
The fact that a Frenchman called Jean Philippe de Bourbon turned up at a Moghol Khan's court in the 16th century, was given a position, then produced a lineage of Bourbons advisers to the Bhopal Begums, seems well documented. The big mystery is about his identity : no known Bourbon has been reported lost at this period. Louis Rousselet in the 19th centiry proposed that he was a secret child of the Constable de Bourbon. Michel de Grèce seems to favour this opinion, but the evidence is paltry. Others have proposed that he could be a member of the ancient but illegitimate branch of Bourbon-Busset, reported lost at see in 1580. Because of the time of his arrival in India, he cannot be a nephew of Henri IV of France, born in 1553 and the eldest surviving child of his parents, neither could he be a Bourbon Navarre (descendants of Jeanne d'Albret) as stated in the introduction. Miuki 19:11, 23 August 2007 (UTC)