Talk:Jean-Luc Godard
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[edit] Alphaville
I deleted the sentence which gives away the ending of Alphaville. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.30.19.26 (talk) 01:14, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Comment 1
Under 2: Godard and politics, this claim appears:
"..most of which remained unfinished or were refused showings.."
I call this a claim because I've never read that any of those films "remained unfinished", only that they were rarely shown. Does anyone know of a basis for this statement? If not, it should really be removed. --Chips Critic 23:11, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)
[edit] "Criticism"
I took out the section entitled "criticism". Seemed to NPOV to me. It was just one quote by one Situationist saying he sucked. Someone out there thinks everyone sucks. It seemed like a sloppy attempt at balance.
[edit] Swiss?
The introduction describes Godard's nationality as Swiss, whcih I don't understand. He may be ethnically Swiss, but (to the best of my knowledge) he has lived his whole life in France, and is a French citizen.
Godard was born in France from a Swiss family. He was thus at first of French nationality. However, he became a citizen of Switzerland in 1940 so that he would not be drafted in France (WW2 at this time). Multiple sources in French and English for this fact, for example the Cannes festival website. The French version of wikipedia calls him a French-Swiss director.
USferdinand 05:14, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Yes, Swiss
Godard has not been living all his life in France. He has been raised partly in France and partly in Switzerland and he has actually both Swiss and French citizenship. In the Fifties he went back to Switzerland to avoid being drafted into the French army and then he left Switzerland for South and Central America to avoid being drafted into the Swiss army. How can anybody be ethnically Swiss, given that Switzerland is made by Italian, French and German geographic, linguistic and cultural areas? 18/10/2005
Godard has lived and workeed in Rolle, Switzerland from the mid seventies to the present. 11/9/06
[edit] Jean-Luc Godard: A Response
Jean Luc Godard
In writing about Jean-Luc Godard, the author portrays a revolutionary, innovative, and alluring film maker. Godard is portrayed as being anti establishment (specifically anti-Hollywood), and is credited with the creation of a "loose on-the-run" formal quality that is unique to his style. The author credits Godard with the establishment of the "Nouvelle Vogue" or the French New Wave, which championed new ways of making and directing films. Jean-Luc Godard is seen as a prolific movie genius, instating new trends on how movies should be made and what message they should carry. In A bout de Soufflé (1960), the usage of real life settings, the cutting of scenes, and the fluidity of the story--solidified and formed the basis of what New Wave style stood for. However, Godard is not only seen as an artist, but also as a politically and socially conscious individual. He was part of the intellectual and artistic movement of post-WWII that, inspired by Marxist theories, championed social reforms and class equality. His impact on films survived the end of the New Wave movement, thus becoming one of the most influential film makers in French cinematic history. The reader is led to assume that Marxist and existential theories formed the base for Jean-Luc Godard's films. However, no overt Marxist message is ever present in any of his films before Week End (1969), in which he attacks consumerism and the "excess of the bourgeois trends". In his other films his political stance goes only as far as to demonstrate the complexity of social and class problems, refusing to take a clear stance on the issues. He allows for his viewers to think about the issues and formulate their own individual thoughts on the different issues. The reader can also deduce that the French Latin Quarter, in the post WWII years, was the breeding ground for anti-establishment movements and a haven for those that felt ignored, cheated, and oppressed by the post-war governments and phenomenons. It was in the Latin Quarter, the cine clubs, in which Godard started to champion and foment ideas of what would become the Nouvelle Vogue. It is also safe to assume that the continuing conservative de Gaulle years and his continuous frustration at the way things were going forced Godard to change the way his movies were made. At the beginning of his film career, his movies were highly influenced by film history and tradition; in the end he denounced cinematic history as being part of the "bourgeois" and being without merit". The most convincing arguments made by the author about Jean-Luc Godard have to do with his craft. There is no doubt that he was a genius when it came to creating films and conveying powerful messages that tackled social and class issues. The author stresses Godard's political affiliation as the base for all his works and cites Le Petit Soldat, which dealt with the Algerian War of Independence, as an example of how Godard used politics in a way to teach people about the complexities of the issue. In Le Chinoise (1967) he portrays the French youth as having been influenced by the ideas of the French communist party, demonstrating that Godard was in tune and was an active member of the subculture forming at the heels of de Gaulle’s restrictive right wing state. This movie foreshadowed the events of May 1968 and it served to give voice to the youth that formed part of the French sub cultural movement. The least convincing argument was in respect to the New Wave movement itself, the reader can't help but question how radical and how anti establishment the movement was. The author cites the start of the movement as having been begun as a form of movie criticism. Godard's films were critically and commercially successful, making it clear that the movement and to an extent Godard, worked within and had the acceptance of the broader society. The author made use of many different bibliographical sources. There was usage of books and films that dealt with the artist and his craft, however, the use of primary sources was limited. He based his writings on the interpretation of others and the evaluation of Godard's work was based on what film critics had to say. The author did do a good job of separating Godard's life into stages, signaling his changes from radical innovator, to extreme Maoist, to a more conventional character. There is a synopsis for every stage of Godard's work and an explanation of why the changes in trends and quality of the work occurred. He should, however, explore more thoroughly the events of 1968 and Godard's involvement with the latter. There should also be a closer inspection of his work post 1968 and why in the start of the 1980s Godard changed his philosophy and became “mainstream”.
- Sorry to disappoint you after such a long post, but there is no 'author' - this is a collaborative project between many users. You seem to know a lot about Godard, so please contribute some of your knowledge to the article rather than this page. To get started, I recommend you click on the 'Help' or 'FAQ' buttons at the top of this page, so that you can learn about the Wikipedia project and decide how you can contribute. Essential rules are: try to maintain a neutral point of view, and avoid original research (only supply verifiable information). The Singing Badger 22:44, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Absence of Criticism
Is this article implying that there is no substantive, intelligent critique of Goddard's work as a director? Ruthfulbarbarity 04:16, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Sexism
Godard has often been accused of sexism, which I think should be dealt with in this article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 131.230.86.238 (talk) 16:02, 1 February 2007 (UTC).
[edit] Divorce with Anna Karina
I think they divorced in 1967 (but I can find any dates between 1965 and 1968). In the French version, they divorced around 1966 in Godard's page and in 1968 in Karina's page USferdinand 11:00, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] No Photo???
We need a photo for this article (Lowdark Innuendo 14:43, 14 November 2007 (UTC))
