Talk:Jean-Baptiste Sipido

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Articles for deletion This article was nominated for deletion on 21/3/2006. The result of the discussion was keep.

Let's not speedy this. The person and incident described are real and easy to find in Google and I can see a case for this being a notable event. At most this should be an AfD with an appropriate discussion before we delete it. I don't see this being an obvious speedy. Gwernol 00:42, 21 March 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Expansion

I've expanded this a bit, just to make it look like a half-decent article, but my weak French isn't up to digesting the entire long article in the Biographie nationale (and I didn't copy it anyway and haven't got it available right now - I just made a few quick notes to work from). Even English language sources, such as Brust's account or contemporary newspaper accounts (all the old issues of The Times have been entirely digitized), could be used to considerably expand the article. u p p l a n d 07:27, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Moved from Wikipedia:Speedy deletions

Let's not speedy this. The person and incident described are real and easy to find in Google and I can see a case for this being a notable event. At most this should be an AfD with an appropriate discussion before we delete it. I don't see this being an obvious speedy, maybe all it really needs is to be expanded and improved? Gwernol 00:42, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Unless there's more that 'interesting' to this guy than this one event, I say delete. I mean, THIS page (Yes, the speedy deletion page) is the number 4 result on Google. Most of the others on the first page are simple one-sentence descriptions. If you can find more information that makes this person notable, then by all means... But otherwise, this deserves to be a footnote in some other article. Heck, I can't even find a (confirmed) birth year or death year. If he's so unimportant that no one recorded when he died, then he's not notable. (I think that's a great new way of deciding if a dead person is notable. Did someone bother to record when he died, other than a standard newspaper-issue obituary? Ehurtley 08:18, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
This has now been moved from speedy to AfD and survived there. "Jean Baptiste Sipido" right now has only 15 Google hits, when the word "wikipedia" is subtracted from the search, but he turned out to have an eighteen-page biography in the Biographie nationale, the Belgian dictionary of national biography. This is an excellent example of why Google may be of some use in indicating the notability of contemporary people but how completely and utterly useless it is in determining the lack of notability of many historical figures. u p p l a n d 09:41, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

I decided to move the discussion above to this page. Google hits on Sipido may become more numerous in the future now that he has a WP article. It may be useful to refer to this case when people use Google hits as an argument in deletion discussions. u p p l a n d 09:41, 26 March 2006 (UTC)