Template talk:Jazz-music-project

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[edit] Category?

Do we want to set up a category, into which pages with this banner would be added? -- Gyrofrog (talk) 20:42, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, there should be a category for Jazz articles in the project. --Eqdoktor 09:09, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
Agreed. BNutzer 10:23, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
Done. Pages with this banner are now automatically added to Category:WikiProject Jazz articles. BNutzer 22:54, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for setting that up! Is there some 'bot that can go through and update the "listas=" parameter in the {{WPBiography}} template? Otherwise, since these are all talk pages, they all sort under "T" by default. Thanks again, -- Gyrofrog (talk) 00:36, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
Kingbotk? Btw, they are were only sorted under "T" if they don't have a WPBiography "listas=" flag at all (also true if they don't have a WPBio banner). They are were listed under "First character of article name" if there is an empty "listas=" set in the WPBio banner. Fascinating ;) BNutzer 06:19, 7 August 2007 (UTC), updated ~ 22:18, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
Putting {{DEFAULTSORT}} on the talk page will also sort them correctly. I think it should be put at the top of the talk page ... BNutzer 08:43, 8 August 2007 (UTC), updated ~ 22:13, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
I have removed DEFAULTSORT usage from the template. All articles are now listed under their name in the project categories. Using a listas parameter might be an idea, but wouldn't that mean overdoing it (my impression is that hardly anyone is interested anyway)? BNutzer 22:13, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
OK, just wondering about musicians with Arabic names. For the purposes of sorting this category, I propose we sort by the second name (i.e. what appears to be a last name). Traditionally these names should be sorted by the first letter in the first name, e.g. "Idris Muhammad" would be under "I". On the other hand, I think my hard copy of the AMG (I don't have it with me) lists him under "M". I am guessing that Idris Muhammad, if he is in the phone book, would be under "M"; I'm almost positive that a record store would file his CDs under "M". (WP:MOS-AR isn't clear about this, and an archived discussion suggests addressing it on a case-by-case basis (while also suggesting that Wikipedia needs a guideline for this)). -- Gyrofrog (talk) 14:24, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Subcategories?

Now that the category exists, it is possible to have subgategories, too ... and they could be filled by additional flags that this template could also support ...

[edit] Albums

With album articles getting tagged for the project, maybe an "album" flag in the template would be wise that automatically puts those articles into a subcategory for album articles. BNutzer 10:25, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

I still think an albums subcategory would be nice. Any other views on this? BTW, I am beginning to think that this discussion should better be taken to the project talk page, and we should restrict the discussion here to rather technical aspects of the template ... BNutzer 20:26, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Implemented. Syntax: |album=yes BNutzer 11:55, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
Thank you! I did notice, however, that they are still in the parent "WikiProject Jazz" category. (My assumption is that one purpose of the "Album" category is to thin out the parent category.) -- Gyrofrog (talk) 12:48, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

(un-indent)My pleasure, you are welcome ;) Thinning out was not my orginal purpose - it was "browsability" rather, and that can be found in the subcategory. And I think it makes some sense to have the parent category contain all tagged project articles. Other projects also do that (e.g. Albums project, WPBiography musicians work group formerly known as Musicians project). What does everybody else think about that? Should articles with the album flag show only in the albums subcategory or also stay in the parent category? Another discussion for the project talk page I guess. But I have to act in the offline world for a few hours now, so no time for syntax research now. BNutzer 13:14, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Default sort key in categories

{{WPBiography}} sets the magic word {{DEFAULTSORT}} for a talk page based on the template's listas parameter: with an empty listas= the sort key will be {{PAGENAME}}, with a listas=value, the sort key will be value. I would like to have {{Jazz-music-project}} set the sort key for the talk page to {{PAGENAME}} if {{DEFAULTSORT}} is not set for the talk page yet (to have the talk page not be sorted under 'T'). In other words: Don't touch the default sort key, if a template or editor has already set it, otherwise do {{DEFAULTSORT:{{PAGENAME}} }}. So far, I have not yet understood how to code that. Any help or comment would be appreciated. Regards, BNutzer 13:48, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

The Template_talk:WPBiography#Attempt_to_summarise_the_above_.28DEFAULTSORT.2C_listas.2C_PAGENAME.29 seems to indicate that using DEFAULTSORT in templates should be avoided. So I would like to use WPBiography's listas value if its present on the talk page, otherwise use PAGENAME as sort key. Is it possible at all to have one template read a parameter value from another template that is present on a (talk) page? BNutzer 07:52, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
No, not possible.↔NMajdan•talk 13:36, 13 August 2007 (UTC)