Talk:Javanese beliefs
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[edit] earlier comments
"There is no emphasis on eschatology (ie. life after death, heaven or hell, devils or angels)."
The sentence is a little bit misleading. Although they are rarely speaking about eschatology, they have their own eschatology. Most of them have the concept muksa (disappear) or manunggal (unification, physically and mentally with God). In their concept, if someone did not do any good deed and created chaos, when he/she die, his/her spirit (ruh) will not return to God. Instead, his/her ruh will go astray. Kunderemp 06:13, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
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- This article desperately need refs of some sort - this info dosnt all come from the ether! SatuSuro 10:13, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Blacklisted external links
Two external links on this page have been blacklisted. I went to them quickly and they didn't seem inappropriate, but I put them in parentheses until they are whitelisted or somebody understands why and removes them. Rigadoun (talk) 23:11, 17 January 2007 (UTC) Will catchup later on this one SatuSuro 23:37, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] connections with hindu,buddhist?
Hey, it talks about the jiva, but the jiva as the supreme spirit in comparison to Hinduism's atman...Also the idea of the supermind reminds me of Sri Aurobindo's concept of the Supermind although as a faculty of satchitananda, the one supreme brahman, tao, supreme state... any thoughts, DomDomsta333 (talk) 12:33, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Evolution
The section about evolution did not refer to it in any way, so it has been removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chasnor15 (talk • contribs) 23:13, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Article
Whole article is written uncited with no third party sources or anything of any semblance of a wikified article -( which is quite in line with usual vague writings of javanese kebatinan practitioners ) - also it is unencylopediac - and should it be challenged it needs a lot of work - so taking any single part is pointless - it either needs a complete re-write with citations or simply left alone - to take out a part that doesnt make sense will see incremental removal of each section. As for influences on the kebatinan movement - there is a complex argument for the syncretic nature of the culture and religious which requires more explaining than the usual tourist guide which usually just goes for a grab bag of hindu buddhist influence - that is too broad for the issues that are involved - if you disagree with me please take the issue to the noticeboard at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Indonesia - thanks SatuSuro 01:42, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
