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[edit] Edits from IP addresses
In recent days, there have been similar, unsourced additions from 219.91.185.159, 203.187.210.90, 123.201.45.65, 219.91.185.119 etc. (I guess this is result of something like a forum discussion). The edits are aimed at proving that Sikh Jatts are similar to Muslims Jatts, because they're of a "purer Scything origin", as compared to the inferior Hindu Jatts.
Unless somebody provides a reliable sources for this claim (a reliable source, not some Khalistani or Pakistani ethnoreligious supremacist propaganda site), such edits will be reverted.
Here are some quotes from reliable sources such as published books:
Rosen, Stephen Peter (1996). Societies and Military Power: India and Its Armies. Ithaca: Cornell University Press, 46. ISBN 978-0801432101. OCLC 34357943.:
| “ | Striking social similarities among Hindu, Muslim, and Sikh Jats have been observed. | ” |
Upadhyay, H. C. (1991). Modernization and Rural Development. New Delhi: Anmol Publications, 236. OCLC 25732189.:
| “ | There is great unity in the behaviour pattern of a Punjabi Sikh "jatt", a Haryana or UP Hindu "jar" and Punjabi Pakistani Muslim "jatt". | ” |
Munshi, K. M. [1942] (2007). Akhand Hindustan. Read Books, 54. ISBN 1406750670. OCLC 6078616.:
| “ | The Jat Hindu, the Jat Sikh, and the Jat Muslim in the Punjab were more allied to one another than the Jat Hindu of the Punjab and the Tamil Hindu of Madras. | ” |
In fact, many books state exactly opposite of what the IPs are adding: Hindu and Sikh Jatt societies are somewhat more similar, compared to the Muslim ones. For example:
Levinson, David (1996). Encyclopedia of World Cultures. Boston, Massachusetts: G.K. Hall & Co., 112. ISBN 0816118086. OCLC 22492614.:
| “ | While among Muslim Jat the practice of exchange marriage takes place at various levels of lineage organization, among Hindu and Sikh Jat no such exchange... | ” |
utcursch | talk 15:47, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
The above e.g just states one diference between Jatt Sikh & Jatt Muslims and that is bcoz of different religion that they follow not bcoz of Punjabi Jatt culture.... What about the common clan names, culture, language that Punajbi Jatts(Sikhs & Muslims) share.... Jatts & Jaats can never be the same...they are totaly different in all the ways....below are few difference between Punjabi Jatt & Jaats of Haryana, UP & Rajasthan
Jatts are from Punjab & Jaats from Haryana, UP, Rajasthan Jatt Mother Tongue is Punjabi & Jaats Mother Tongue is Haryanvi and Hindi. Jatt Cuisine is Punjabi Khana & Jaats cusine is ...(i have no idea on this) Jatt is Bhangra lover & Jaats is Dham lover. Jatt traditional costumes and outfts are totally different from Jaats. Jatt is Whiskey lover & Jaat is Hookah lover Jatts have diff clan names from Jaats. Jatts are mostly meat eaters & Jaats are mostly vegetarians the list is endless....what do you have to say on above points 219.91.185.85 (talk) 10:23, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
- "Whiskey lover" and "Hookah lover"! Huh? Find a good reference for such claims. How does your ranting help prove your claim that Hindu Jats are different from Muslim/Sikh ones? You're talking about the regional differences between Punjabi and non-Punjabis, and not "Hindu" and non-Hindu Jatts. utcursch | talk 12:54, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
That was just an example on the general habbits and difference between jatts and jaat...jatts (being sikhs) do noy smoke hookah which is a tradition in jaat panchayats and elders...any ways you wont understand this123.201.45.81 (talk) 14:21, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
- To be honest, yes, I do not understand that. What I understand that the Jat/Jatt forums often turn into places where Haryana vs. Punjab and Hinduism vs. Sikhism fights take place; the users end up claiming that the Jatts from the two groups are not related to each other. Each group claims to be of "superior" race, and constructs pseudohistorical/pseudoscientific theories to prove their point. Please don't bring such useless debates to Wikipedia. If you've a reliable, scholarly, academic reference to back up your claims, please feel free to contribute. utcursch | talk 14:36, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
No its not claim of being a superior race that anyway is decided by history....but so clear distinctions as Language, culture, costumes...this thing go back thousands of years (even if you leave religion out of it)how can one ignore that....that is food for thought....isn't it utcursh..binda219.91.185.34 (talk) 15:03, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
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and what vandalism are you talking about.....is showing truth vandalism....and here iam writing about my people..this is what iam ...123.201.45.110 (talk) 15:13, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
